[nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

[Juanita Herrera]

Tina, I believe that they have had classes with students of partial
vision, but I don't think they have purposely planned it. I'm a total
and they did not train me differently than my other classmates who
were partials.
Juanita and Anise

On 7/25/12, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tracey- That could be true. I know in the past GDB has had classes with
> just partials.
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
>
> Hi Juanita.
> I don't think you need to ask, unless you want to.
>
> I have heard that GDB now gives individualized instruction (though it
> seemed
> pretty personalized when I was there years ago.)  I wonder if they are
> telling high partials one thing, and totally blind people another?
> Though, if they are, it's still a rotten idea to step in front of the dog,
> even if you think you see well enough.  It would limit the person from
> using
> the dog in situations where he or she wasn't seeing well.
> The whole thing seems screwy.  Which is why I thought it might be a wild
> rumor.
> Tracy
>
>> Tracy, that is totally a wild rumor. I just graduated from GDB six
>> months ago, and not unless things have changed since then, we are not
>> to walk ahead of our dogs at any time. The dog is called a guide dog
>> for a reason, to guide. Also, we may give leash Q's, but only if we
>> have an idea of where we are. Not if we are absolutely unsure of our
>> surroundings. GDB is actually going to be having a presentation at my
>> job on Friday. I can ask if things have changed if you'd like me to.
>> Juanita and Anise
>>
>> On 7/25/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>> The other day, a friend shared with me the things she heard about at
>>> the ACB convention.  One thing that shocked us both was that GDB is
>>> teaching people, when there is a narrow path, to step *ahead* of the
>>> dog!  Say what!!!  I've done that, and lived to tell the tale and
>>> learn from my mistake, but it's a darned good way to get hurt or
>>> killed.  Is this just a wild rumor, or is it an example of trainers
>>> being out of touch with reality?  Or has GDB become Guide Dogs for
>>> the High Partials?  Well, high partials who never go out at night,
>>> because it would be too dangerous and scary.
>>> Surely this isn't actually what GDB is teaching?
>>> Another thing my friend heard is that, if the dog is unsure of how to
>>> go around an obstacle, the person is supposed to direct the dog using
>>> the leash--give a leash cue.  Great, if you can tell where to go.
>>> Me, I usually can't, being, you know, blind!
>>>
>>> Anyhow, any recent GDB graduate want to confirm or deny this rumor?
>>>
>>> I have been pondering a new theory:  guide dogs used to be trained as
>>> if their partners would be totally blind, and now they're being
>>> trained as if their partners will have some usable vision.  I've
>>> occasionally thought that Ben might have done better sooner if he had
>>> a person who could tell faster when he was getting ready to cop a
>>> sniff, for instance.  And our trainer seemed to think I should know
>>> when bushes were coming up, though just how I would know that beats
>>> me.  But then, how do these guide dogs for the visually impaired pass
>>> the blindfold test?  So maybe my theory is full of holes, but it
>>> doesn't seem like training is as rigorous as it used to be, if one
>>> can believe books.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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