[nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs

[Debbie Cole]

PETA... What does it stand for?  I'm a fairly new handler about a year
I'm not too familiar with it.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> I sure do believe that Lyn!  I guess some folks just love telling everyone
> else what's what!!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>
>
>> Welcome to my world.  PETA acts just like the homophobes and transphobes I
>> have to listen to all the time.  It is a shame when supposedly normal brains
>> REFUSE to open up and allow new ideas in!
>>
>> Now, if we all could take the lead from our furry friends and be loving
>> UNCONDITIONALLY, wouldn't the world be a much more pleasant place for us
>> all?
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Marion is talking about a concept that we learned about last semester
>>> in critical thinking.  It's called fanatical closure, and it means
>>> that your mind is clinging to a belief so tightly that it won't let in
>>> reason or argument of any kind.  Obviously, if those at peta refuse to
>>> open their minds after reading Marion's well-reasoned, kind letter,
>>> they may not be worth our time.  Personally, I don't know how people
>>> can say such illogical, even horrible things about us and our animals
>>> without getting to know how we work with them, but somehow, I doubt
>>> I'll ever understand.  If they refuse to find the truth by listening
>>> to us, then their thinking is scued, and we should stick to trying to
>>> educate those who want to learn.
>>>
>>> On 7/25/12, Debbie Cole <debbieanne1124 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A classmate of mine from Pilot told me that he was stopped once by a
>>>>> person
>>>>> from Peta and he said that they said he was abusing his dog by having
>>>>> him
>>>>> in
>>>>> that leather harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peta is really crazy for thinking we're  abusing our dogs by working
>>>>> them
>>>>> in
>>>>> harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Motley enjoys working when he's in harness. A lot of people here in
>>>>> Cincinnati understand that he's a guide dog and know not to pet him.
>>>>> They've
>>>>> never told me at all that I am abusing Motley by working him in the
>>>>> harness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I really wish Peta would really change their way of thinking on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Pilot Dog Motley, poodle
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:10 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> Not just PETA does that!  I corrected Holly at the church one day
>>>>> because
>>>>> she decided to sniff, look and generally block the door just before
>>>>> mass.
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> corrected her nd my mother-in-law got really bent out of shape.  Holly
>>>>> did
>>>>> let the line threw though!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a lady just really go off on me because I corrected Fisher from
>>>>>> goingunder a table in a restaurant !sniff out and eat crumbs. Pretty
>>>>>> amazing what they do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:34 AM, "Margo and Arrow"
>>>>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> also, how about the times Peta and other radical animal rights groups
>>>>>>> set
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> animals free who haven't lived in the wild and the animals die.  How
>>>>>>> about the fact that they have been known to actually kill animals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> these groups have all the answers and don't listen to reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hicks"
>>>>>>> <bob at seeinghandassociation.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:23 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marion.  Excellent job explaining our stance and that of our
>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>> and dedicated partners!  Yeah!  thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Hicks
>>>>>>>> Access Technology Specialist
>>>>>>>> Seeing Hand Association, Inc.
>>>>>>>> 304-232-4810
>>>>>>>> <bob at seeinghandassociation.com>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
>>>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] PETA & Service Dogs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> William,
>>>>>>>>>   I am of the belief that no amount of factual information can
>>>>>>>>> overcome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the irrational ignorance of those who have radical beliefs. In
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> strive for "ethical treatment of animals", PETA ignores the
>>>>>>>>> fundamental
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fact that dogs are happiest when they have a job to do, especially
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> working breeds that are used as guide dogs. In the past, they have
>>>>>>>>> promulgated a great deal of misinformation and, in spite of our
>>>>>>>>> providing them with accurate information, hold fast to their
>>>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>   Pasted below is a response to PETA I wrote in january 2009 in
>>>>>>>>> response to some of their radical, misinformed assertions about how
>>>>>>>>> guide dogs are treated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Dear Ms. Nachminovitch,
>>>>>>>>>   As the President of the National Association of Guide Dog Users,
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> strong and proud division of the National Federation of the blind,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> felt compelled
>>>>>>>>> to respond to your very misinformed comments about guide dogs. The
>>>>>>>>> biggest problem we face as blind people is the misunderstanding and
>>>>>>>>> lack of information
>>>>>>>>> that exists. This is true about guide dogs, as well. It is
>>>>>>>>> unfortunate
>>>>>>>>> that you choose to promulgate the myths that create barriers to our
>>>>>>>>> full inclusion
>>>>>>>>> in society on terms of equality. It is also unfortunate that you
>>>>>>>>> compromise the integrity of People for the Ethical Treatment of
>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> by making such
>>>>>>>>> foolish assertions. By doing so, you call into question the
>>>>>>>>> veracity
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> any valid information published by PETA.
>>>>>>>>>   In an effort to set the record straight, guide dogs are not "kept
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> harness 24/7". The truth is that guide dogs are only in harness
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> they are working.
>>>>>>>>>   As to your assertion that our dogs are virtually disposed of when
>>>>>>>>> they are no longer able to "serve" their handlers, the fact is
>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>> more often than
>>>>>>>>> not, our dogs live out their lives with their blind caretakers. As
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> example, my previous guide dog worked until he was fourteen years
>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>> and lived out
>>>>>>>>> the remainder of his sixteen years with me. My current guide will
>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>> be twelve years old and is enjoying her semi-retirement by lying
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>> my dining
>>>>>>>>> room table on the cold tile floor where she loves to lie.
>>>>>>>>>   As for your statement that guide dogs are never given the
>>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to romp and play, my guide dog plays with the two other dogs in our
>>>>>>>>> household
>>>>>>>>> and with the guide dogs of my blind colleagues on a regular basis.
>>>>>>>>>   Petting a guide dog is discouraged while it is working, as doing
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> is a distraction to its work; however, when the harness is off, my
>>>>>>>>> family, especially
>>>>>>>>> my three-year-old granddaughter, is welcome - even encouraged - to
>>>>>>>>> pet
>>>>>>>>> and play with my guide dog.
>>>>>>>>>   PETA would also like the public to believe that guide dogs are
>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> against their wills to work for a blind person because that
>>>>>>>>> promotes
>>>>>>>>> its radical
>>>>>>>>> agenda. The truth is that it further demonstrates PETA's ignorance
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> canine behavior. Dogs are, by nature, pack animals and each animal
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pack has
>>>>>>>>> a job. Guide dogs enjoy their work and become excited when the
>>>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>>>> is presented to them! My guide dog comes running when the harness
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> taken off its
>>>>>>>>> hook by the door and slips her head into it, excited at the
>>>>>>>>> adventure
>>>>>>>>> to come! unlike the pet that stays at home with absolutely nothing
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do - quite
>>>>>>>>> contradictory to the nature of a dog - our animals get to spend
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> their time with their "alpha dog"! By the way, my dog doesn't care
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> anyone else
>>>>>>>>> pets her because I give her all the love and attention she could
>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>> want! Furthermore, when the weather is bad or the place i am going
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> not conducive
>>>>>>>>> to my guide, she stays at home where she again, lies in her "cave"
>>>>>>>>> under the dining room table and probably romps and plays with our
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dogs!
>>>>>>>>>   In summary, PETA is fabricating lies to justify their irrational,
>>>>>>>>> radical stand. I realize that this correspondence will probably do
>>>>>>>>> little to convince
>>>>>>>>> PETA of the truth nor cause them to retract their lies or alter
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> stand. they are too entrenched in their misgivings that the facts
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only confuse
>>>>>>>>> them. however, this correspondence is offered to present the facts
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> those willing to consider rational, accurate information.
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the blind
>>>>>>>>> president at nfb-nagdu.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Vandervest"
>>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [MSB-Alumni] Fw: Smartphone-Friendly
>>>>>>>>> Innovation
>>>>>>>>> HoldsPromise of Freeing Dogs From Involuntary Service
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i just received this on another list, anybody heard of this
>>>>>>>>>> before?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are none so blind as those who will not see
>>>>>>>>>> William And ld Lynard
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve
>>>>>>>>>> To: msb-alumni
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [MSB-Alumni] Fw: Smartphone-Friendly Innovation Holds
>>>>>>>>>> Promise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of Freeing Dogs From Involuntary Service
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>>>>>>>>> To: viphone at googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:48 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Smartphone-Friendly Innovation Holds Promise of Freeing
>>>>>>>>>> Dogs
>>>>>>>>>> From Involuntary Service
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I came across this article and am pretty shocked by it, I did not
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that there are people and apparently organizations out there who
>>>>>>>>>> consider guide dogs as providing an "involuntary" service which
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> apparently consider to be animal cruelty. I don't really have the
>>>>>>>>>> connections and the time, but I hope maybe some people on this
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> advocacy sort of work and may look into this. The biggest joke is
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this research seems to be geared towards getting around inside
>>>>>>>>>> buildings which of course would be great, but apparently these
>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>> don't think much about how much a dog helps in getting around
>>>>>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the article (hope the mods don't object since the article
>>>>>>>>>> refers to "smartphones" and not "iPhones", but of course we all
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> how many accessible smartphone choices we have and I assume
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> like this, were it available, would not be a Windows Phone app!)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Smartphone-Friendly Innovation Holds Promise of Freeing Dogs From
>>>>>>>>>> Involuntary Service
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For Immediate Release: May 14, 2012
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Contact: David Perle 202-483-7382
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> St. Paul, Minn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The University of Nevada-Reno (UNR) science team working on
>>>>>>>>>> smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> technology that will help blind people navigate on their own, even
>>>>>>>>>> gauging their pace and warning them far in advance of obstacles
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>> as a stairway, will present its invention at the IEEE
>>>>>>>>>> International
>>>>>>>>>> Conference on Robotics and Automation in St. Paul on May 15 (the
>>>>>>>>>> second day of the conference). The team, headed by researchers Dr.
>>>>>>>>>> Eelke Folmer of the Player-Game-Interaction Lab and Dr. Kostas
>>>>>>>>>> Bekris
>>>>>>>>>> of the Robotics Research Lab, has won a PETA Proggy Award for
>>>>>>>>>> Leadership in Ethical Science. PETA's Proggy Awards ("Proggy" is
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> "progress") recognize animal-friendly achievements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This new technology promises not only to give blind people the
>>>>>>>>>> independence they want but also could mean that dogs will no
>>>>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bred for this type of service," says PETA President Ingrid E.
>>>>>>>>>> Newkirk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We commend the UNR team for developing 'eyes' for the blind that
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> both user-friendly and animal-friendly."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The low-cost system would enable blind people to navigate around
>>>>>>>>>> buildings using nothing more than a smartphone. Its software is
>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>> on the same technology that enables robots to navigate but uses
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> person's stride length to track his or her movements. The system
>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>> two-dimensional digital maps and the smartphone's built-in
>>>>>>>>>> components,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with the phone able to communicate what it "sees" using synthetic
>>>>>>>>>> speech. Upon initial use in a particular environment, the user
>>>>>>>>>> touches
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> certain landmarks. The smartphone remembers the information and is
>>>>>>>>>> able to give the user directions on subsequent visits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For more information, please visit PETA.org.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Ok I have to ask a stupid question...
>>>> What is PETA?  I'm a fairly new dog handler and am baffled
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> warmly,
>>>>
>>>> Debbie Cole
>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Julie McG
>>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
>>> of Missouri recording secretary,
>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>> life."
>>> John 3:16
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-- 
warmly,

Debbie Cole

debbieanne1124 at gmail.com