[nagdu] An altercation on the bus yesterday

Fri Jun 8 01:04:59 UTC 2012

thanks I will.  

I didn't think it would be something I could carry on the bus with me, but I mainly bought it so I could walk the four to six blocks to the nearest grocery store if necessary.  

Jenny
On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

> Jenny,
> Again, check with your transit authority on the specific policy governing
> groceries as there may be specific procedural steps you may have to follow.
> It is not the same from transit company to transit company.  At peak hours,
> this might be not allowable by the transit utility due to high
> ridership...so, all the more reason to check with the policy governing this
> specific issue regarding groceries and on-board carts.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jenny Keller
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:09 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] An altercation on the bus yesterday
> 
> I agree about the stroller thing.  I, however am going to need to bring a
> cart that holds about four shopping bags on the bus as my arms are too short
> to rap around a paper bag, and I don't like the plastic ones because they
> always seem to twist and cut off circulation in my hands.  also, if I'm
> going to take the time to take the bus to go grocery shopping, which would
> probably take half the day, I want to get a fair amount of stuff so I don't
> have to do it every day, as I have various other obligations during the week
> that can't be changed.  
> 
> I've never had to bring one of those carts on a bus and feel kind of
> uncomfortable doing so, but I don't know any other way, and I hate
> paratransit because sometimes, it takes longer than others at the store,
> especially if you're trying to compare prices or have to wait longer for a
> person to help me shop, or even just learn about new products that are out
> there that I didn't know about before.  Paratransit buses also have three or
> four steps going up into them, and since I have knee issues to go along with
> dragging that cart up those steps, I'd just rather go up one step on a
> regular bus and control how long I am at the store, even if I have to wait a
> little longer for the route to come back around if I run a little late.  I'm
> still in control.  
> 
> At least that's how I feel.
> 
> 
> I don't have people to help me shop, well I won't in about a month and a
> half, so I'm not sure what to do.  
> 
> There is a grocery store about four to six blocks from us, but it's small
> and has very little selection and it costs more to shop there than the store
> we normally shop at, or even Wal Mart.  
> 
> I'm not sure what to do about this issue, but I hope that I can find a
> viable option soon as we will have no other choices soon.
> 
> Jenny
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, I have no issue with wheelchairs on the bus - their users have just
> as much right as I do on the bus and there is only the two places where the
> room and tie-downs are located.
>> 
>> What I don't like is when these people bring on a mega-sized baby carriage
> or stroller on and plop down in the front area and take up space that a
> senior or disabled person needs to use.  Our rules say that the child must
> be removed from the stroller for the ride.  I don't like sitting in the back
> because I can't hear the driver call the stops and there's no real room for
> my big, long dog!  I don't know why these people don't use the smaller
> umbrella-style strollers for riding the bus.  They're small and fold up very
> easily unlike the huge ones that aren't really meant for riding buses with.
> They're loaded down with other stuff besides the kid and it all is very
> awkward.
>> 
>> I'm not anti-kid, but I don't like to see the disabled seating taken up
> with these huge things.  I need my dog to be protected under the seat and
> they don't need to bring giant strollers on.
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] An altercation on the bus yesterday
>> 
>> 
>>> Please don't take offense to what I said about wheelchairs.  I wasn't
> trying to be disrespectful of people who use them.  I have friends who use
> them, and that really wasn't the issue.
>>> 
>>> My point only was that the chair, and the dog serve the same purpose.
>>> 
>>> If I offended anyone, please except my sincerest apology.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That one is certainly rare!  My wife uses a wheelchair so I know what
> kind of room they take up.  I also let her get on the bus first so as not to
> accidentally run over Holly's feet.  I certainly would have opened my mouth
> and then loged a complaint with the bus company.  And, it is certainly
> public transportation!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:02 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] An altercation on the bus yesterday
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I just had to tell you all about what happened on the bus here in
> Rockford yesterday.
>>>>> A guy I knew with a guide dog got on the bus.  There were two
> wheelchairs on the bus as well, so he had to walk in between them.  One of
> the people in a wheelchair told the guy that he needed to get that dog off
> the bus because she had allergies.  the guy told her that his dog was a
> guide dog and continued to walk by her.  I was sitting behind her and could
> feel my temper rising as she continued to argue with him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> He continued to argue with her too and the bus driver had to tell them
> both to quiet down and drop it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It took all I could to do not blurt out that the dog had as much right
> on the bus as her wheelchair did, but I kept my mouth shut because it
> wouldn't have come out in a nice and respectful tone of voice.  I kind of
> felt like pot, meet kettle, if you know what I mean, as her wheelchair took
> up so much space on the bus.  It angered me so much that someone with a
> disability that caused her to use an aid that also causes inconvenience, by
> taking up three regular seats on a bus, would make such a huge and loud
> scene about someone else with a disability with a dog that he needed to get
> around with.  You would think that both people would respect the others
> needs and ways of travel and just get along.
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's why I kept my mouth shut, I knew I wouldn't have handled it
> properly.  I was beginning to feel a little militant and quite insulted
> myself as having been a dog user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I told the gentleman to go ahead of me as we exited the bus however,
> because I was going to make my statement known if she had said one more word
> to him.  I had enough of that kind of attitude.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe I should've said something after all, but I felt my temper
> flaring and knew that it would be in a militant and combative tone, so
> again, I kept my mouth shut.  Making sure however, that she said nothing to
> him as he passed her to exit the bus.  It would have been a mistake on her
> part to utter one more word on the subject at that time, cause I was about
> to let if fly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, just thought I'd relay the experience.  In my opinion, that dog
> was no different than that chair.  Plain and simple.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
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