[nagdu] Congratulations!

Tami Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Sun Jun 10 00:32:10 UTC 2012


Heavens! I just tossed that in, forgetting I hadn't gotten to announcing 
that we did the deed. My face is red.

Yes, it is DD, and we did the "M thing" in a small private ceremony on 
April 24, 2012. I've been waiting to go around announcing it for when I 
get the identity crisis bit worked out. /lol/ So I still almost never 
use my married name, except for when I do. So more identity crisis, I 
guess. /smile/

Thanks for the congrats!

I'll get right on that certification thing... Teehee. I've been thinking 
of you because while I'm answering questions about owner-training on 
another list, people keep talking to me like I don't know squat... And I 
think of the people like you and others from whom I learned so much 
while I try to explain how us radical types learn to do the impossible 
of training our own guides. /smile/

How is your uncertified undog guide? /smile/

Tami

On 06/09/2012 05:14 PM, Ann Edie wrote:
> Hi, Tami,
>
> Ah, how come you didn't tell us you were getting married?  I presume the
> lucky spouse is the person who used to be referred to on list as DD?  Well,
> anyway, here's wishing you and the whole human and canine family many happy
> years of blissful togetherness!  Don't forget to get your name changed on
> Mitzie's "official" guide dog certificate, or her trainer may come repossess
> her at any moment, because the name of the handler on the certificate
> doesn't match yours!
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Best,
> Ann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tami Kinney
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 3:16 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Third party reporting by other guide dog users
>
> Jenny,
>
> Yes, I remember hearing about that and your telling about it. Sigh. In fact,
> it's your story that I keep thinking of and then worrying about this similar
> situation that I am closer to. Sigh. Life is too short!
>
> I'm glad you're back and getting on with your applications, extra
> frustrations and all. Yikes! I have a bunch of that same identity stuff to
> get worked out, too, moreso since I recently got married and now have to get
> my name switched everywhere only... Where to start! /lol/ I'm afraid to
> start in the places I'm required to in case they get more screwed up and
> stop getting the checks to me... This week, it is on the agenda, but I just
> shudder to think.
>
> Take care, and I'm glad you're hear and sharing your quest for your next
> dog. /smile/
>
> Tami
>
> On 06/09/2012 01:05 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> To answer your question.
>>
>> YES when I was having issues with my former guide last Easter and had to
> retire him.  I told the list what had happened and let them know that the
> school I had gotten the dog from had done some dirty manipulation to get me
> to come back there after I had applied somewhere else and they found out
> about it.
>>
>> there were threats made that if they found out what guide dog school I had
> applied to now, that they would assure that I never got a guide dog again,
> and that I was a horrible handler, and that I was a B***h and that I never
> should've been given a dog in the first place.
>>
>> The person that received that threat is on this list, though I will not
> mention their name for their privacy.
>>
>> there are people who think they know best and will certainly stick their
> noses where it doesn't belong because they think they know best.
>>
>> It is important to watch what you say on any list.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>
>>> My question is this: Do guide dog users routinely report other guide dog
> users to their training program and trainer for minor mishaps mentioned on
> discussion lists. Or because the guide dog user being reported doesn't use
> the collar the reporter believes they should use, stuff like that? And do
> they do it in a way that makes the one they are reporting sound super
> irresponsible and unwilling to listen to help? For that matter, would most
> trainers take these reports seriously, over the information given by the
> guide dog user who has been reported to them?
>>>
>>> Okay, here's my long explanation behind the questions:
>>>
>>> Since I'm an owner-trainer, the notion that another guide dog user might
> report me to my trainer for any reason has never troubled my fluffy little
> head before.
>>>
>>> Only I recently found out that this sort of thing actually happens!
>>> Not for witnessed events of great severity as some of the "what would
>>> you do" discussions of awhile ago, where there was a scenario
>>> involving one guide dog attacking another and causing injury and
>>> another involving a guide dog user reportedly regularly blowing a
>>> street crossing so badly as to cause risk of traffic accidents in
>>> addition to putting himself and his dog in danger. In those, I think
>>> a few people raised the notion of getting in touch with the guide dog
>>> user's school but I don't remember that there was a consensus that
>>> this would be an appropriate course of action. They were "what if"
>>> questions, so no consensus was needed. /smile/
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm pretty shocked to learn that there are guide dog users who
> will report other guide dog users for blurbs on e-mail discussion lists. Not
> this one, but it recently happened. And now I find out it has happened
> before, with the same group of people doing the reporting.
>>>
>>> So, let's say that I mention in that group that Mitzi did X in random
> chatter, thinking I was among friends. Suddenly, some people are asking me
> questions, which I answer to clear things up... Then they start insist that
> I said something 3 months ago that contradicts what I just said about what
> Mitzi did yesterday, and then I get upset and rattled and try to clear
> things up.... So then there's blood in the water.
>>>
>>> Next thing I know, I get a letter from my trainer about what I said on
> the list and then another one which is where I find out people from this
> group have been getting in touch with him/her repeatedly about how they're
> helping me but I won't listen and stuff like that, because I don't do
> exactly what they tell me to do faithfully no matter what it is.
>>>
>>> Since I know the people involved and the dog in question fairly well,
>>> I wasn't surprised by the verbal attack by a certain few members of
>>> the group. Sigh. Maybe they do think they're helping, but... Um...
>>> Oh, well. I was just shocked to learn that one or more of them would
>>> go so far as to call the trainer on another user because of a blip on
>>> a list. Sheesh! I guess that this actually goes on in that group.
>>> Heavens! Oddly, the "helpers" there chat a lot on that list and go to
>>> the same school and have the same trainer... Which makes me wonder if
>>> they should get a great big van and fill it with crates and take the
>>> whole lot of dogs back to school. /lol/ I'm delving in sarcasm there,
>>> but the list of things I can recall that these helpful guide dog
>>> users have reported their dogs getting up to are fairly amazing.
>>> They're all relatively new dogs, young dogs, so I tend to figure the
>>> handlers are getting it worked out and can figure out for themselves
>>> if they need to contact the trainer. Bu
> t, I guess, If I were to follow their fine example... No, of course, I won't
> do that. That's just so... Tacky! /lol/
>>>
>>> So my question is: Does this actually go on? Do guide dog users report
> other guide dog users just to be manipulative and retaliatory or whatever?
> Even if it's clearly stated that the guide dog user they are reporting is in
> contact with the trainer over the matter they mention?
>>>
>>> Well, I'm suddenly feeling really smug that if any of these folks want to
> report me to my trainer, they are welcome to! My trainer will treat their
> reports with all the attention they deserve.
>>>
>>> Oh, they've helped me, too! By explaining sternly that I should never
> stick sharp metal implements into my poodle's ear canals... I'm not making
> that up. I mean, that is a true statement, I can agree to that. However...
> Do I *look* that stupid? /lol/ I kinda figured that one out on my own years
> ago, so I don't know that telling me to do something I know better than to
> do is helpful. I've been helped to understand the bus routes around my home.
> Again, apparently, I really am too stupid to work that out on my own
> somehow... Sheesh!
>>>
>>> So I haven't fallen all over myself in gratitude or listened,
>>> really... So I could be reported, I am sure! Well, and I don't have a
>>> certified guide, no ID card to flash... Why would I owner-train when
>>> I could get a certified guide dog? Um... For those who are relatively
>>> new enough to have not read any of those discussions, there is no
>>> such thing as a certified guide dog in terms of the ADA and access to
>>> places of public accommodation. The guide dog training programs must
>>> be certified for the consumer's protection. The trainers must also be
>>> certified to work at the certified guide dog training program. The
>>> dogs are not certified. The nice ID cards often have the relevant
>>> portions of the law printed on them, which does make them useful.
>>> They do not grant you access to anything at all, and it is illegal
>>> for anyone to ask you to show them. /smile/ It's your dog's training
>>> for your disability that counts, and your dog's good behavior, etc.,
>>> once you walk into a place. But I have a feeli
> ng I am being "taught by example" for being the other guide dog user's
> friend and for being an owner-trainer by having things addressed to me that
> make a point of mentioning the flashing of ID cards. /lol/ I've never even
> said there what I *really* think of that practice! It's anyone's choice what
> they do with the ID card from their school, so why get uptight about it?
> /lol/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
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