[nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Wed Jun 27 17:54:43 UTC 2012

Ya know, Cindy, they never really said what the procedure would be. I would
insist on going with them but of course not touching the dog which means
sighted guide. 

Jenine Stanley
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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:36 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

So, Jenine, if the dog tests positive for traces of explosive, can you
demand to go with them as they check him out, or are your required to
relinquish the dog, because my instinct would be to argue the point.
Cindy Lou

On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:

> Cindy,
> 
> 
> Certain chemicals in things like nail polish or solution from a 
> manicure, some medications and I'd suspect topical flea preventatives, 
> could cause a false positive test. My guess is that's what happened 
> with Passel's dog, either something like flea preventative or coat 
> conditioner or something like that, maybe even something spilled on the
fur.
> 
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:18 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
> 
> How could your dog test positive? That's weird? What, then did they do 
> to your dog?
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Passle Helminski wrote:
> 
>> They are in place and I am filing a complaint with TSA.  My guide 
>> tested
> positive in Erie and Chicago and I did not.  The way they miss handle 
> my guide will be the complaint I am filing today.
>> 
>> Passle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Steve,
>>>  The information I was given indicated these new procedures were
> expected to be fully implemented by the end of April. As with all 
> things bureaucratic, perhaps it did not get implemented on the time line
expected!
>>> 
>>> Marion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>> 
>>>> When did this go into effect?  When I flew to get my new guide back 
>>>> in May, I had none of this occur.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:27 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>  Though I mentioned this in my previous message, swabbing for 
>>>> Explosive Trace Detection is done on anyone boarding a plane with 
>>>> an animal. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one 
>>>> touches the dog or that the dog is a service dog. The swab is an 
>>>> absorbent cloth that contains no chemical. It is rubbed across the 
>>>> palm of the hands and placed in a machine that detects trace 
>>>> amounts of
> explosives.
>>>> 
>>>> Marion
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, probably, but they won't swab you if you don't touch the dog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" 
>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, I missed the part about that. So what do you do. Oh, you just 
>>>>>> bring them through with you, right? So if you do that, then they 
>>>>>> are going to have to wand you because who can say what set it off?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the regs state that if you contact your dog while walking 
>>>>>>> through the detector and after, they can swab your hands.  You 
>>>>>>> can of curse touch the leash because you have to keep your dog 
>>>>>>> under control but you can't touch the dog.  also, no longer can 
>>>>>>> we walk through the detector and have our dogs at sit and then 
>>>>>>> call them
> through.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> margo and Arrow----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pawpower
Pack"
>>>>>>> <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [Buddys-dogscoop] 
>>>>>>> Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Margo,
>>>>>>>> I was wondering about the swab thing.  When I flew to Montana 
>>>>>>>> in April, my SSP (who interprets things into ASL for me) went 
>>>>>>>> through security with me.  I had Laveau sit, walked through the 
>>>>>>>> detector thing, and then called Laveau.  I turned around and 
>>>>>>>> out of nowhere, these huge gloved hands grabbed my hands.  They 
>>>>>>>> weren't my SSP's hands, and since I'm Deafblind--  and use ASL
>>>>>>>> tactually-- my ssp couldn't tell me what was going on with some 
>>>>>>>> guy basically removing any ability I have for communication.  
>>>>>>>> It was scary.  He was rubbing the cloth thing on my hands, and 
>>>>>>>> finally, my SSP explained to me about swabbing.  Next time I'll
> expect it.
>>>>>>>> If I don't touch my dog while in security, will they still have 
>>>>>>>> to do it? I need to find regulations about this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Laveau, Baylee,!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Dance, even if you have to warn others to get out of the way
> first."
>>>>>>>> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> AIM: brissysgirl
>>>>>>>> 
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