[nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Wed Jun 27 18:14:08 UTC 2012 

Well, should I have some fun Friday, you will be among the first to know. <Giggle>

Cindy Lou

On Jun 27, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:

> Cindy,
> 
> It might be fun, (grin).
> 
> Again, none of us can be separated from our dogs if the TSA is following the
> rules.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:57 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
> 
> Well, Passle says they found traces of explosive on his dog and took the dog
> from him. I would think I would insist, if that was what happened, upon
> going with the dog. Anyway, I'm not worried about it so much as just
> wondering, cause I don't want to spend my convention someplace I didn't want
> to go. <Giggle> 
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:
> 
>> The TSA is NEVER permitted to separate you from your guide dog.  You 
>> should always go with your dog.  However, I suspect that unless you do 
>> something unusual to your dog's harness swabbing will detect 
>> questionable sents on your hands, not the dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:36 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>> 
>> So, Jenine, if the dog tests positive for traces of explosive, can you 
>> demand to go with them as they check him out, or are your required to 
>> relinquish the dog, because my instinct would be to argue the point.
>> Cindy Lou
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> 
>>> Cindy,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Certain chemicals in things like nail polish or solution from a 
>>> manicure, some medications and I'd suspect topical flea 
>>> preventatives, could cause a false positive test. My guess is that's 
>>> what happened with Passel's dog, either something like flea 
>>> preventative or coat conditioner or something like that, maybe even 
>>> something spilled on the
>> fur.
>>> 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:18 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>> 
>>> How could your dog test positive? That's weird? What, then did they 
>>> do to your dog?
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Passle Helminski wrote:
>>> 
>>>> They are in place and I am filing a complaint with TSA.  My guide 
>>>> tested
>>> positive in Erie and Chicago and I did not.  The way they miss handle 
>>> my guide will be the complaint I am filing today.
>>>> 
>>>> Passle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>> The information I was given indicated these new procedures were
>>> expected to be fully implemented by the end of April. As with all 
>>> things bureaucratic, perhaps it did not get implemented on the time 
>>> line
>> expected!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marion
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>>>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When did this go into effect?  When I flew to get my new guide 
>>>>>> back in May, I had none of this occur.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:27 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>> Though I mentioned this in my previous message, swabbing for 
>>>>>> Explosive Trace Detection is done on anyone boarding a plane with 
>>>>>> an animal. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one 
>>>>>> touches the dog or that the dog is a service dog. The swab is an 
>>>>>> absorbent cloth that contains no chemical. It is rubbed across the 
>>>>>> palm of the hands and placed in a machine that detects trace 
>>>>>> amounts of
>>> explosives.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, probably, but they won't swab you if you don't touch the dog.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" 
>>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh, I missed the part about that. So what do you do. Oh, you 
>>>>>>>> just bring them through with you, right? So if you do that, then 
>>>>>>>> they are going to have to wand you because who can say what set it
> off?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the regs state that if you contact your dog while walking 
>>>>>>>>> through the detector and after, they can swab your hands.  You 
>>>>>>>>> can of curse touch the leash because you have to keep your dog 
>>>>>>>>> under control but you can't touch the dog.  also, no longer can 
>>>>>>>>> we walk through the detector and have our dogs at sit and then 
>>>>>>>>> call them
>>> through.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> margo and Arrow----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pawpower
>> Pack"
>>>>>>>>> <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [Buddys-dogscoop] 
>>>>>>>>> Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Margo,
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering about the swab thing.  When I flew to Montana 
>>>>>>>>>> in April, my SSP (who interprets things into ASL for me) went 
>>>>>>>>>> through security with me.  I had Laveau sit, walked through 
>>>>>>>>>> the detector thing, and then called Laveau.  I turned around 
>>>>>>>>>> and out of nowhere, these huge gloved hands grabbed my hands.  
>>>>>>>>>> They weren't my SSP's hands, and since I'm Deafblind--  and 
>>>>>>>>>> use ASL
>>>>>>>>>> tactually-- my ssp couldn't tell me what was going on with 
>>>>>>>>>> some guy basically removing any ability I have for communication.
>>>>>>>>>> It was scary.  He was rubbing the cloth thing on my hands, and 
>>>>>>>>>> finally, my SSP explained to me about swabbing.  Next time 
>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>> expect it.
>>>>>>>>>> If I don't touch my dog while in security, will they still 
>>>>>>>>>> have to do it? I need to find regulations about this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Laveau, Baylee,!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "Dance, even if you have to warn others to get out of the way
>>> first."
>>>>>>>>>> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> AIM: brissysgirl
>>>>>>>>>> 
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