[nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Wed Jun 27 17:56:51 UTC 2012 

Well, Passle says they found traces of explosive on his dog and took the dog from him. I would think I would insist, if that was what happened, upon going with the dog. Anyway, I'm not worried about it so much as just wondering, cause I don't want to spend my convention someplace I didn't want to go. <Giggle> 

Cindy Lou

On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:

> The TSA is NEVER permitted to separate you from your guide dog.  You should
> always go with your dog.  However, I suspect that unless you do something
> unusual to your dog's harness swabbing will detect questionable sents on
> your hands, not the dog.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:36 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
> 
> So, Jenine, if the dog tests positive for traces of explosive, can you
> demand to go with them as they check him out, or are your required to
> relinquish the dog, because my instinct would be to argue the point.
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
> 
>> Cindy,
>> 
>> 
>> Certain chemicals in things like nail polish or solution from a 
>> manicure, some medications and I'd suspect topical flea preventatives, 
>> could cause a false positive test. My guess is that's what happened 
>> with Passel's dog, either something like flea preventative or coat 
>> conditioner or something like that, maybe even something spilled on the
> fur.
>> 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>> 
>> How could your dog test positive? That's weird? What, then did they do 
>> to your dog?
>> 
>> Cindy Lou
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Passle Helminski wrote:
>> 
>>> They are in place and I am filing a complaint with TSA.  My guide 
>>> tested
>> positive in Erie and Chicago and I did not.  The way they miss handle 
>> my guide will be the complaint I am filing today.
>>> 
>>> Passle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Steve,
>>>> The information I was given indicated these new procedures were
>> expected to be fully implemented by the end of April. As with all 
>> things bureaucratic, perhaps it did not get implemented on the time line
> expected!
>>>> 
>>>> Marion
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>> 
>>>>> When did this go into effect?  When I flew to get my new guide back 
>>>>> in May, I had none of this occur.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:27 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> Though I mentioned this in my previous message, swabbing for 
>>>>> Explosive Trace Detection is done on anyone boarding a plane with 
>>>>> an animal. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one 
>>>>> touches the dog or that the dog is a service dog. The swab is an 
>>>>> absorbent cloth that contains no chemical. It is rubbed across the 
>>>>> palm of the hands and placed in a machine that detects trace 
>>>>> amounts of
>> explosives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marion
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, probably, but they won't swab you if you don't touch the dog.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" 
>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, I missed the part about that. So what do you do. Oh, you just 
>>>>>>> bring them through with you, right? So if you do that, then they 
>>>>>>> are going to have to wand you because who can say what set it off?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the regs state that if you contact your dog while walking 
>>>>>>>> through the detector and after, they can swab your hands.  You 
>>>>>>>> can of curse touch the leash because you have to keep your dog 
>>>>>>>> under control but you can't touch the dog.  also, no longer can 
>>>>>>>> we walk through the detector and have our dogs at sit and then 
>>>>>>>> call them
>> through.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> margo and Arrow----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pawpower
> Pack"
>>>>>>>> <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [Buddys-dogscoop] 
>>>>>>>> Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Margo,
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering about the swab thing.  When I flew to Montana 
>>>>>>>>> in April, my SSP (who interprets things into ASL for me) went 
>>>>>>>>> through security with me.  I had Laveau sit, walked through the 
>>>>>>>>> detector thing, and then called Laveau.  I turned around and 
>>>>>>>>> out of nowhere, these huge gloved hands grabbed my hands.  They 
>>>>>>>>> weren't my SSP's hands, and since I'm Deafblind--  and use ASL
>>>>>>>>> tactually-- my ssp couldn't tell me what was going on with some 
>>>>>>>>> guy basically removing any ability I have for communication.  
>>>>>>>>> It was scary.  He was rubbing the cloth thing on my hands, and 
>>>>>>>>> finally, my SSP explained to me about swabbing.  Next time I'll
>> expect it.
>>>>>>>>> If I don't touch my dog while in security, will they still have 
>>>>>>>>> to do it? I need to find regulations about this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Laveau, Baylee,!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Dance, even if you have to warn others to get out of the way
>> first."
>>>>>>>>> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> AIM: brissysgirl
>>>>>>>>> 
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