[nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Michael Hingson info at michaelhingson.com
Wed Jun 27 18:07:59 UTC 2012 

Cindy,

It might be fun, (grin).

Again, none of us can be separated from our dogs if the TSA is following the
rules.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:57 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Well, Passle says they found traces of explosive on his dog and took the dog
from him. I would think I would insist, if that was what happened, upon
going with the dog. Anyway, I'm not worried about it so much as just
wondering, cause I don't want to spend my convention someplace I didn't want
to go. <Giggle> 

Cindy Lou

On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:

> The TSA is NEVER permitted to separate you from your guide dog.  You 
> should always go with your dog.  However, I suspect that unless you do 
> something unusual to your dog's harness swabbing will detect 
> questionable sents on your hands, not the dog.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:36 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
> 
> So, Jenine, if the dog tests positive for traces of explosive, can you 
> demand to go with them as they check him out, or are your required to 
> relinquish the dog, because my instinct would be to argue the point.
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
> 
>> Cindy,
>> 
>> 
>> Certain chemicals in things like nail polish or solution from a 
>> manicure, some medications and I'd suspect topical flea 
>> preventatives, could cause a false positive test. My guess is that's 
>> what happened with Passel's dog, either something like flea 
>> preventative or coat conditioner or something like that, maybe even 
>> something spilled on the
> fur.
>> 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>> 
>> How could your dog test positive? That's weird? What, then did they 
>> do to your dog?
>> 
>> Cindy Lou
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Passle Helminski wrote:
>> 
>>> They are in place and I am filing a complaint with TSA.  My guide 
>>> tested
>> positive in Erie and Chicago and I did not.  The way they miss handle 
>> my guide will be the complaint I am filing today.
>>> 
>>> Passle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Steve,
>>>> The information I was given indicated these new procedures were
>> expected to be fully implemented by the end of April. As with all 
>> things bureaucratic, perhaps it did not get implemented on the time 
>> line
> expected!
>>>> 
>>>> Marion
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>> 
>>>>> When did this go into effect?  When I flew to get my new guide 
>>>>> back in May, I had none of this occur.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:27 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> Though I mentioned this in my previous message, swabbing for 
>>>>> Explosive Trace Detection is done on anyone boarding a plane with 
>>>>> an animal. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one 
>>>>> touches the dog or that the dog is a service dog. The swab is an 
>>>>> absorbent cloth that contains no chemical. It is rubbed across the 
>>>>> palm of the hands and placed in a machine that detects trace 
>>>>> amounts of
>> explosives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marion
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, probably, but they won't swab you if you don't touch the dog.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" 
>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, I missed the part about that. So what do you do. Oh, you 
>>>>>>> just bring them through with you, right? So if you do that, then 
>>>>>>> they are going to have to wand you because who can say what set it
off?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the regs state that if you contact your dog while walking 
>>>>>>>> through the detector and after, they can swab your hands.  You 
>>>>>>>> can of curse touch the leash because you have to keep your dog 
>>>>>>>> under control but you can't touch the dog.  also, no longer can 
>>>>>>>> we walk through the detector and have our dogs at sit and then 
>>>>>>>> call them
>> through.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> margo and Arrow----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pawpower
> Pack"
>>>>>>>> <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [Buddys-dogscoop] 
>>>>>>>> Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Margo,
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering about the swab thing.  When I flew to Montana 
>>>>>>>>> in April, my SSP (who interprets things into ASL for me) went 
>>>>>>>>> through security with me.  I had Laveau sit, walked through 
>>>>>>>>> the detector thing, and then called Laveau.  I turned around 
>>>>>>>>> and out of nowhere, these huge gloved hands grabbed my hands.  
>>>>>>>>> They weren't my SSP's hands, and since I'm Deafblind--  and 
>>>>>>>>> use ASL
>>>>>>>>> tactually-- my ssp couldn't tell me what was going on with 
>>>>>>>>> some guy basically removing any ability I have for communication.
>>>>>>>>> It was scary.  He was rubbing the cloth thing on my hands, and 
>>>>>>>>> finally, my SSP explained to me about swabbing.  Next time 
>>>>>>>>> I'll
>> expect it.
>>>>>>>>> If I don't touch my dog while in security, will they still 
>>>>>>>>> have to do it? I need to find regulations about this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Laveau, Baylee,!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Dance, even if you have to warn others to get out of the way
>> first."
>>>>>>>>> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> AIM: brissysgirl
>>>>>>>>> 
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