[nagdu] crowded trains

Thu Mar 1 02:10:45 UTC 2012

Marcia, I have similar sentiments; the fact that my lights don't work don't 
affect the tires, the engine, etc.

The only reason I may take a seat is that I may be aware that there are 
others available fore the evacuator, or someone assures me they are "getting 
off at the next stop."

I'll also take a seat if I suspect, due to standing room only crowded 
conditions, my dog may get stomped on or otherwise hurt in some way.

When we do stand, I have my dog's but covered; she sits directly in front of 
me, her back end touching my feet.  This way, she can see to avoid virtually 
all possible harm to her.

Doug: Another happy tail!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains

> That is very true about the men giving up their seat for me. And I do say 
> No
> Thank you, but if someone is so insistent, then what are you going to do? 
> If
> they are insistent, wouldn't it be rude for me not to take the seat?
>
> It probably bothers me, because I don't want people to see me as the
> "helpless" blind person. Just because it does bother me, doesn't mean
> anything really, its more of a me thing.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
> Marsha,
> The people on the train have probably figured out that some days you are 
> not
> able to stand and other days you are.
> They don't have a clue what causes this.
> I'd just say no thank you when you don't need or want a seat.
> Also, some of these people may be giving up their seats for their own
> reasons, a man may think "my dad told me to give my seat toa woman" and
> since you're a woman well, you get the seat.
> I'm not real sure why this bothers you. You do have the option to say no
> thank you.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
> That depends on if my vertigo is effecting more that day than normal. If 
> it
> is yes, if not then no. Does that make sense?
>
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:33 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
> Before I give my answer, do you actually feel safer/more comfortable if 
> you
> are sitting?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:04 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
>
>> Hi List,
>>
>>
>>
>> An interesting situation to talk about. I am a student at Temple
>> University
>> in Philadelphia and live outside of the metro Philly area. This means 
>> that
>> when I go to school I am riding the SEPTA regional rail system. During 
>> the
>> day when I ride to school the trains are usually not crowded. Its in the
>> evening during rush hour that the train is so crowded its standing room
>> only. I usually get the same train in the evenings, so some of the people
>> are use to me by now. I try to get on the same car but this is hard as 
>> the
>> platforms are long and the train might pull up to different places. When 
>> I
>> get on, I know its crowded, and I am okay with standing. But usually
>> another
>> passenger insists on them getting up and I sitting down. Some days I need
>> this as the motion of the train makes my vertigo worse, but most days I
>> don't need to sit. I have told other riders that it is not necessary for
>> me
>> to sit down. I do always have Emma with me. I have never had anyone be
>> upset
>> that Emma is lying on their feet because it is crowded.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I guess my questions are: If its crowded on a train, bus, or whatever,
>> do
>> you stand? How do you make other riders less insistent to get up and give
>> up
>> their seat?
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps its my pride that doesn't like others giving up their seat.
>> Perhaps
>> I think if they get up and give me their seat, I am needy and helpless,
>> and
>> that poor blind girl that can't stand. Its uncomfortable to say the 
>> least.
>
>> I
>> know people are trying to be nice and polite, and I always Thank them for
>> the gesture. And even the car conductor has insisted that a passenger or
>> two
>> gets up to give me a seat or room for my pup. Like I said these are
>> typically conductors who do not know me. Really truly and honestly I am
>> okay
>> with standing. It's an express train, so for the first 7 stops it does 
>> not
>> stop, and at the first stop a huge lot of people get off.
>>
>>
>>
>> What would you do? How would you handle this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ideas, comments, are welcome. Also, it is not an option that I take an
>> earlier train or a later train. As the earlier one I am in class and the
>> later doesn't leave my campus for another hour, this is the last of the
>> rush
>> hour trains.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your help is appreciated,
>>
>> Marsha
>>
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