[nagdu] crowded trains

Thu Mar 1 03:48:23 UTC 2012

Hi Marsha,
I take the train regularly into my internship about 3 or 4 times a
week. My internship is a hour and a half train ride, so generally I
take a seat. I have terrible back problems, and I also have to deal
with the vertigo issue. There are seats for disabled people on the
train, and these have more space in front of them and under them. I
like to sit there, so that Anise could fit comfortably under without
getting stepped on. However, on buses I stand because those don't have
room under the seats and Anise will just be laying in the middle of
the isle. She also does the sprawl thing where she loves to take up
all the space. I guess that it all depends on your personal choice.
Best,
Juanita

On 2/29/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh I get it, no when my vertigo is bad, then I sit, no one has to insist. If
> a seat is offered then I sit.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
> Even though something might be easier/more comfortable, you continue to do
> what you think looks better. Marsha said that sometimes her vertigo is
> worse. If she feels unsafe during these times, then she should sit down
> instead of making herself stand just because of how other people will
> perceive it. Just my opinion.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>
>
>> Well, Nicole, I hope Marsha gets it because I sure don't get it. What do
>> you mean by your statement?
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>
>>> Then you're making yourself suffer? Okay, suffer may be a little too
>>> strong, but I think that you get what I'm asking.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth"
>>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is very true about the men giving up their seat for me. And I do
>>>> say No
>>>> Thank you, but if someone is so insistent, then what are you going to
>>>> do? If
>>>> they are insistent, wouldn't it be rude for me not to take the seat?
>>>>
>>>> It probably bothers me, because I don't want people to see me as the
>>>> "helpless" blind person. Just because it does bother me, doesn't mean
>>>> anything really, its more of a me thing.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:01 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>>>>
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> The people on the train have probably figured out that some days you are
>
>>>> not
>>>> able to stand and other days you are.
>>>> They don't have a clue what causes this.
>>>> I'd just say no thank you when you don't need or want a seat.
>>>> Also, some of these people may be giving up their seats for their own
>>>> reasons, a man may think "my dad told me to give my seat toa woman" and
>>>> since you're a woman well, you get the seat.
>>>> I'm not real sure why this bothers you. You do have the option to say no
>>>> thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:56 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>>>>
>>>> That depends on if my vertigo is effecting more that day than normal. If
>
>>>> it
>>>> is yes, if not then no. Does that make sense?
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>>>>
>>>> Before I give my answer, do you actually feel safer/more comfortable if
>>>> you
>>>> are sitting?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:04 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] crowded trains
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An interesting situation to talk about. I am a student at Temple
>>>>> University
>>>>> in Philadelphia and live outside of the metro Philly area. This means
>>>>> that
>>>>> when I go to school I am riding the SEPTA regional rail system. During
>>>>> the
>>>>> day when I ride to school the trains are usually not crowded. Its in
>>>>> the
>>>>> evening during rush hour that the train is so crowded its standing room
>>>>> only. I usually get the same train in the evenings, so some of the
>>>>> people
>>>>> are use to me by now. I try to get on the same car but this is hard as
>>>>> the
>>>>> platforms are long and the train might pull up to different places.
>>>>> When I
>>>>> get on, I know its crowded, and I am okay with standing. But usually
>>>>> another
>>>>> passenger insists on them getting up and I sitting down. Some days I
>>>>> need
>>>>> this as the motion of the train makes my vertigo worse, but most days I
>>>>> don't need to sit. I have told other riders that it is not necessary
>>>>> for
>>>>> me
>>>>> to sit down. I do always have Emma with me. I have never had anyone be
>>>>> upset
>>>>> that Emma is lying on their feet because it is crowded.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess my questions are: If its crowded on a train, bus, or
>>>>> whatever,
>>>>> do
>>>>> you stand? How do you make other riders less insistent to get up and
>>>>> give
>>>>> up
>>>>> their seat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps its my pride that doesn't like others giving up their seat.
>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> I think if they get up and give me their seat, I am needy and helpless,
>>>>> and
>>>>> that poor blind girl that can't stand. Its uncomfortable to say the
>>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> know people are trying to be nice and polite, and I always Thank them
>>>>> for
>>>>> the gesture. And even the car conductor has insisted that a passenger
>>>>> or
>>>>> two
>>>>> gets up to give me a seat or room for my pup. Like I said these are
>>>>> typically conductors who do not know me. Really truly and honestly I am
>>>>> okay
>>>>> with standing. It's an express train, so for the first 7 stops it does
>>>>> not
>>>>> stop, and at the first stop a huge lot of people get off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you do? How would you handle this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas, comments, are welcome. Also, it is not an option that I take an
>>>>> earlier train or a later train. As the earlier one I am in class and
>>>>> the
>>>>> later doesn't leave my campus for another hour, this is the last of the
>>>>> rush
>>>>> hour trains.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your help is appreciated,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
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