[nagdu] crowded trains

Thu Mar 1 14:12:36 UTC 2012

You can't spend your life worrying what someone thinks. The regulars will get to know you and form an opinion, the nonregulars will form an opinion and there isn't much you can do about that.
And, we all do this when we encounter people.
If you don't want to sit, just tell the person that you've been sitting all day (it doesn't have to be true) and that you need to stand for a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:54 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains

That is very true about the men giving up their seat for me. And I do say No
Thank you, but if someone is so insistent, then what are you going to do? If
they are insistent, wouldn't it be rude for me not to take the seat?

It probably bothers me, because I don't want people to see me as the
"helpless" blind person. Just because it does bother me, doesn't mean
anything really, its more of a me thing.

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:01 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains

Marsha,
The people on the train have probably figured out that some days you are not
able to stand and other days you are.
They don't have a clue what causes this.
I'd just say no thank you when you don't need or want a seat.
Also, some of these people may be giving up their seats for their own
reasons, a man may think "my dad told me to give my seat toa woman" and
since you're a woman well, you get the seat.
I'm not real sure why this bothers you. You do have the option to say no
thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:56 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains

That depends on if my vertigo is effecting more that day than normal. If it
is yes, if not then no. Does that make sense?

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:33 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains

Before I give my answer, do you actually feel safer/more comfortable if you
are sitting?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: [nagdu] crowded trains

> Hi List,
>
>
>
> An interesting situation to talk about. I am a student at Temple
> University
> in Philadelphia and live outside of the metro Philly area. This means that
> when I go to school I am riding the SEPTA regional rail system. During the
> day when I ride to school the trains are usually not crowded. Its in the
> evening during rush hour that the train is so crowded its standing room
> only. I usually get the same train in the evenings, so some of the people
> are use to me by now. I try to get on the same car but this is hard as the
> platforms are long and the train might pull up to different places. When I
> get on, I know its crowded, and I am okay with standing. But usually
> another
> passenger insists on them getting up and I sitting down. Some days I need
> this as the motion of the train makes my vertigo worse, but most days I
> don't need to sit. I have told other riders that it is not necessary for
> me
> to sit down. I do always have Emma with me. I have never had anyone be
> upset
> that Emma is lying on their feet because it is crowded.
>
>
>
> So I guess my questions are: If its crowded on a train, bus, or whatever,
> do
> you stand? How do you make other riders less insistent to get up and give
> up
> their seat?
>
>
>
> Perhaps its my pride that doesn't like others giving up their seat.
> Perhaps
> I think if they get up and give me their seat, I am needy and helpless,
> and
> that poor blind girl that can't stand. Its uncomfortable to say the least.

> I
> know people are trying to be nice and polite, and I always Thank them for
> the gesture. And even the car conductor has insisted that a passenger or
> two
> gets up to give me a seat or room for my pup. Like I said these are
> typically conductors who do not know me. Really truly and honestly I am
> okay
> with standing. It's an express train, so for the first 7 stops it does not
> stop, and at the first stop a huge lot of people get off.
>
>
>
> What would you do? How would you handle this?
>
>
>
> Ideas, comments, are welcome. Also, it is not an option that I take an
> earlier train or a later train. As the earlier one I am in class and the
> later doesn't leave my campus for another hour, this is the last of the
> rush
> hour trains.
>
>
>
> Your help is appreciated,
>
> Marsha
>
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