[nagdu] Embarrassing Guide Dog Handlers

[Marsha Drenth]

Doug, 

For you to have that mind set of judging others is fine. But do not tell me
or other list members it is wrong, or what to think. Not everyone thinks
like you. There is a line between criticism and being judgmental. We can say
all day and night what is right and wrong, but you aren't in those people's
shoes. 

It is your right as a guide dog user to take corrective measures when Your
dog is doing wrong or in this case relieving when not appropriate. But do
not tell others how to think, feel or what to do. I know you do not want the
same to be done to you, and as I have seen you say on this list. 

If you would like to continue this discussion, we can do it off list. I will
not take it any further on list. 

My point is that we all need to be accepting of others, as a guide dog
community we criticize other handlers way to easily and harshly. Again,
before you post judgmental messages to the list, think, would you want the
list members to say the same back to you? Would you want list members to
tell you what to think or what to do? We can give advice, recommendations,
encouragement, and support until the cows come home, but in the long run, we
all have the right to make our own decisions. 

Marsha, Moderator  


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Doug Parisian
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:57 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Embarrassing Guide Dog Handlers

This unfortunate mindset is most unfortunate.  Damn right I'm Judgemental 
and I'm not sorry.  What silliness; we all make judgements every day, about 
people, dogs, food, etc.

If it were my dog consistently making trouble, messes, etc, damn right I'd 
take corrective action.

Doug: Barking up the right tree--in my judgement of course.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Embarrassing Guide Dog Handlers


> Marc,
>
> I think what Rebecca was getting at, is that you may not know all of the
> variables in this situation. I also think that there have been some
> judgmental comments made in this thread. I would say if any of us think we
> have the answers, ask yourself this. What if that was your dog? What if 
> you
> were the handler? What if you were that person's co-worker and found out 
> he
> was talking about you? You would probably not like it. If we do not have 
> all
> the facts, then making any comments is premature. So the dog poops in the
> office, yes we all know this is wrong. Yes its embarrassing to us, if its
> our dogs having the accident. But maybe the dog was sick? I don't know
> *shrug* But its also not my place to judge, nor is it any of yours. So I 
> am
> asking lets please please be respectful of others before we post okay?
>
> Marsha, Moderator
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:56 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Embarrassing Guide Dog Handlers
>
> Rebecca,
>
>
>
> I was not talking with the handler with the dog with the issue, but 
> instead
> I was talking with someone who worked with the handler in question. I have
> no first hand knowledge of the situation. However, from what I was told,
> this dog deficates in the office every day so consistently that the man I
> was talking to says he could set his watch by it. it is within a 5 minute
> window every day. If this is in fact the case, why couldn't the handler in
> question make certin that the dog was outside at this time?
>
>
>
> This comment was made by a man at the coffee shop. He was asking me how I
> knew when my dog had to go, and went on to explain the issue with his
> coworker. I have no way of influencing the situation either way.
>
>
>
> I don't appreciate your snide remark about first time handlers.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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