[nagdu] Ownership of guide dog

[Nimer M. Jaber, IC³]

Hello,

There was a pilot grad that I know personally who was forced to retire
her dog and the dog was younger due to the dog growling at new dogs on
occasion. Pilot had already placed that dog with another owner prior.
They wouldn't send anyone out to do follow-up, to work with the dog,
etc etc. This is not ownership.

On 12.03.2012, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Passle,
> Did you apply for ownership or do all the graduates get it upon completion
> of the training?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Passle Helminski
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>
> Marion,
>
> I will look for my ownership agreement. Yes, Ray did say that.    I
> have meetings in town soon but I will post my agreement to you when I
> return.
>
> Passle
>
>
>>Passle,
>>    Well, I am getting conflicting information. It seems to me that
>>last August you shared that "we own our dogs as long as we are using
>>them as guides". I asked if you had the written agreement and you only
>>shared that this information came from Ray. If you have an ownership
>>agreement from Pilot, it would be very helpful. All we have to go on
>>right now is hearsay assertions - nothing objectively in writing.
>>
>>Fraternally yours,
>>Marion
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Passle Helminski"
>><passle at roadrunner.com>
>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:06 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>
>>>  >I am a Pilot grad and I own my dog.
>>>
>>>Passle
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>R.J.,
>>>>    First of all, let me state that Pilot does not transfer ownership
>>>>upon completion of training. In fact, I am unsure if they do at all
>>>>or retain ownership ad infinitum. As for your question of our stand
>>>>on ownership, I would refer you to the June
>>>>2011 Braille Monitor and the NAGDU Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of
>>>>Rights.
>>>>
>>>>fraternally yours,
>>>>Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>><joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:40 PM
>>>>Subject: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>>>
>>>>>What is your opinion of a guide dog Schools retaining ownership of
>>>>>the dog after training? I know some schools such as South eastern,
>>>>>and piolet dogs give ownership of the guide dog to the student after
>>>>>training. While others such as GDB retain ownership. Has the NFB
>>>>>made an offical stance concerning this issue? RJ
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