[nagdu] Ownership of guide dog

[Brenda]

Marion
I was referring to being able to accept the one to two year wait for 
full ownership from a paternalistic school compared to having only 
partial ownership for the first five years.  If I (or my family) were 
given the choice to return the dog due to death or disability, that 
would allow me to make the decision as the full owner.  Relating to 
cars, the car salesman never says you own your car unless your license 
is revoked etc.  Not sure why ownership is only an issue when 
paternalism is the underlying reason for ownership delay.  Is the guide 
mine or not?
Brenda

On 3/15/2012 2:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> Brenda,
>    I appreciate and respect your opinion; however, I disagree that an 
> agreement that a dog be returned to the program if the consumer is no 
> longer able or willing to use or care for it is paternalistic. On the 
> other hand, I believe that policies that do not transfer any form of 
> ownership during a specified period of time are paternalistic. Such 
> policies seem to make the assumption that blind people need oversight 
> and must prove themselves before certin rights are granted. There 
> seems to be no such assumption in agreements that require the return 
> of the dog under the previously mentioned conditions.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
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>> Cindy, At least you had the choice to return him as you were the full 
>> owner.
>>
>> Seems to me that I could swallow waiting one to two years for full 
>> ownership if there were no further requirements (paternalistic that 
>> that may be).
>>
>> Does anyone know if the schools that do not grant immediate ownership 
>> also have a requirement that a guide must be returned under certain 
>> circumstances?  Is it a choice or a requirement?
>>
>> Glad I have time to learn from this list and sort everything out.
>> Brenda
>>
>>
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>> On 3/14/2012 10:57 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I sent Wayne back in case TSE could find someone who could use him. 
>>> It was between his fourth year and his fifth, but I did this by 
>>> choice. I thought he could and would work for someone if it was door 
>>> to door riding with just a little walking involved--someone who 
>>> didn't get out much. I don't know if they placed him or not and I 
>>> really wanted to. Last I knew they thought they had found an 
>>> arrangement for him. In retrospect, though, I wish I kept him.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
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