[nagdu] Ownership of guide dog

[rhonda cruz]

hello tracy.

 I think that is a good idea.
 i will look in to tse.

 next  time.


On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:

> Hi Rhonda.
> I agree.  It's part of why I got my dog from TSE.  I was proud to hand
> over my check and know I owned my beautiful Benny.  I think it meant more
> to me than GDB's big graduation ever did, somehow.
> Tracy
> 
>> hi tracy.
>> i think we should get ownership.
>> after class.
>> .. . i think it's our dogs. anyway.
>> but that is how i see it.
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> 
>>> If one signs a contract, isn't it binding, even if the terms are
>>> ridiculous?  After all, you theoretically read it, and definitely agreed
>>> to it.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>>> Ava,
>>>>   Since the contract one signs with the training programs is a legally
>>>> binding agreement, should an allegation of abuse, neglect, or
>>>> maltreatment
>>>> be made, the terms of the agreement and their legality would be
>>>> reviewed.
>>>> In
>>>> the case of Fidelco, for instance, a legal expert in the area of
>>>> consumer
>>>> and ownership rights has told me the terms of Fidelco's agreement would
>>>> likely be deemed unenforceable. It basically states, "You own your dog
>>>> unless we decide you don't!" Such contradictory language is logically
>>>> flawed.
>>>>   As for the terms of other agreements I have seen, the programs
>>>> generally
>>>> use the terms "evidence of abuse, neglect, or maltreatment" when
>>>> referring
>>>> to their right to repossess a dog. In such cases, I would assume the
>>>> legal
>>>> procedures and definitions of "evidence" would be used.
>>>> 
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ava Foster" <avapup.7 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you all for your answers to my question about which programs
>>>>> grant total ownership. It's not that I'd mind having a contract
>>>>> stating a program could take a dog for abuse or such, but what worries
>>>>> me is, who determines what constitutes that abuse, such as in the
>>>>> example which I believe involved Fidelco. As an owner-trainer who
>>>>> would NEVER abuse a dog, I'd hate to think that asking for help could
>>>>> result in having a beloved family memer taken away. Thanks again! Ava
>>>>> 
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