[nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 29 17:53:24 UTC 2012 

There is more to that situation than I am willing to say on list, however, I 
am not going to role over and quit. I have something in the works.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out


> Why not the professor who's offered to help? Seriously, you've got lots of 
> support here. Activate it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out
>
> I am most certainly being bullied, and very inexperienced in the ways of 
> the
> game. In other words, I don't know what to do, and am seeking advice. I am
> not going to meet with them again unless I have someone who is experienced
> in this sort of issue present.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out
>
>
>> You do realize you are being bullied and intimidated right?
>> Being nice doesn't even come into this, they have no choice but to meet
>> your needs.
>> This isn't a friendship it's a business relationship.
>>
>> You are either very scared and bullied, or you are hiding something.
>> Your school isn't that great if this treatment is going on.
>>
>> Know too that you can call a meeting. The person that takes control has
>> control.
>> Know too that you can document any comments made to you.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:58 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out
>>
>> Rebecca,
>>
>>
>>
>> The janitor is not getting involved in any way that could jeopardize him
>> in
>> any way. Also, I never said I was not concerned about his career.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know the people who have offered to help are doing it of there own free
>> will, and are willing to help. I know they understand the potential risks
>> inherent with going toe to toe with administration. I am going to stay at
>> this school because of such people. I have people at this school who are
>> willing to do anything to help. This is one of the reasons why this 
>> school
>> is such a good fit for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Recently, there has not been an opportunity for meetings. Without me
>> forcing
>> the point, administration does not want to meet with me at this time.
>> However, if I am summoned to a meeting, I guarantee, I will invite all 
>> the
>> people who are helping to attend to help advocate on my side.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the meetings were at the start of the problem, before I realized the
>> severity of it. Representatives of the guide dog school did talk to 
>> school
>> administration with me. Subsequently, all communication has been either
>> comments in passing, over the phone, or by email; however, not many by
>> email.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I don't want to upset the apple cart and force a meeting,
>> until I have all my ducks in a row. Although I appreciate the help
>> provided
>> by the people who are willing to help, they are not experts in guide dog
>> acksess. I am in consultation with some people who are, and we are
>> formulating an action plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> The people I want to be nice to are the staff of the office for students
>> with disabilities. I can't afford to ruffle feathers there, because I 
>> have
>> to work with them so much for accommodations and adapting materials for 
>> my
>> classes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out
>>
>>
>>>        And she offered of her own free will. She's an adult, she knows
>>> what she's offering.
>>> Your rationale just isn't adding up Mark. I'm sorry.
>>> Janitors do carry a lot of weight, some might say more then your
>>> professor.  You've got a guy willing to go to bat for you, yet you don't
>>> seem worried about his career.  My guess is he and his coworkers are 
>>> more
>>> aware of you (and other students) then you realize.
>>> I don't understand why you haven't taken up all the people who have
>>> offered to help and have them attend meetings with you to sort this out.
>>> These people are adults. They believe helping you is the right thing to
>>> do. And you want to "be nice"
>>> This just doesn't add up.
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:06 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Story that I don't know what to think ab out
>>>
>>> You said you didn't want to use her help because it might bring undue
>>> pressure to bear on her. I was just saying that you really don't have to
>>> worry much about that if she is tenured. I would use absolutely everyone
>>> I
>>> needed to use, but honestly, I wouldn't be willing to continue in a
>>> school
>>> that gives me that much grief over the dog issue. Of course, that has 
>>> its
>>> down side, too. I don't know. In the end, you will have to do the things
>>> that are best for you and it isn't might right to make that sort of
>>> judgments. I was only stating that I think if she offers to help you 
>>> with
>>> a meeting, then you should do that, or at least I would strongly 
>>> consider
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rebecca and Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How am I refusing to use help? I am taking help from several people. 
>>>> For
>>>> example, the guide dog school, suggestions from this list, and a couple
>>>> of friends of mine who are lawyers. Before I do anything, I consult 
>>>> with
>>>> my lawyer friend for his opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This woman who offered to help is a wonderful advocate, and has helped
>>>> me
>>>> on several occasions. She has been helping from the side lines. I am
>>>> trying to be a nice guy, because I will have to work with all the 
>>>> people
>>>> in question for the next 4 years. I am only a freshman after all. I
>>>> can't
>>>> afford to make enemies, or even worse bring scrutiny or pressure down
>>>> upon people in the department who are willing to help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only told her that I did not think a meeting would be a good idea
>>>> after
>>>> I called to set up a meeting, and got chewed out over the phone. 
>>>> Forcing
>>>> the point, and having a face to face meeting will only serve to make 
>>>> the
>>>> dean angrier. If I do have a face to face meeting, I will most 
>>>> certainly
>>>> have someone with me as an advocate. Probably this professor who is
>>>> willing to go to bat for me. But for now, I am pursuing other avenues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The alternative avenues of approach that I am currently employing 
>>>> should
>>>> have favorable results; however, I can't discuss them on list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
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