[nagdu] back with question and update

Wed May 16 04:33:44 UTC 2012

Some times i have to  give my family a no petting roule. as well.  but
 i don't do that offen.
  but it's those folks that aren't a part of our family.
 that we have to say a ferm no.

  i do my best to not to be tuff on others.
 but i'm teaching those around me as well.

  but marsha. you are doing a  good job.
. keep up the awesome work.
wags. .  rhonda.

On 5/15/12, Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with you 100 percent.  When I had Brooks, there was a guy at my
> church who would and did sneak pets, to which I quick kly and briskly, told
> him that 1.  I see you doing that and you know you're not apposed to do that
> as you are a social worker, and 2.  It's not a Christian like behavior to
> sneak around and do that when I've asked you not to.
>
> there are always those idiots who just do it without asking, but when people
> do ask, I, like you, give them an appreciate no and a why they shouldn't pet
> him, so they don't think I'm just being a brat, another B word almost got
> typed but I'm trying to control my tongue.
>
> they forget that they are our dogs, not theirs, and that they are there for
> our safety and assistance, not for the other people's pleasure and whatever
> else they think.
>
> Anyway, I just wanted, again, to say I agreed.
>
> Jenny
> On May 15, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Robert Hooper wrote:
>
>> Just a quick note about the below message. I agree that nobody has a right
>> to just walk up to and stroke a working dog--I would take that a step
>> further and say that nobody has a right to make an unsolicited approach to
>> any dog and just pet it, for their own safety as well as the owner or dog
>> team. I take Bailey to the recreational center at my university. Usually,
>> I am lifting weights and he is right next to me. However, at least twice a
>> week, I tether him to the bleachers at the pool and swim for an hour or
>> such. I have been assured that nobody has approached him, and the
>> lifeguards and other personnel present have agreed to keep an eye on him
>> to make sure that nobody decides to rob my confidence in humanity by
>> petting him without asking. I have been told that some people have tried,
>> and I can only marvel at the boldness of some people. Just because the dog
>> has a harness doesn't mean that it won't bite. Of course, as I am a
>> responsible and caring handler, Bailey would probably never bite
>> anyone...ever. However, those people approaching that dog with no visible
>> owner don't know that I *have* taken the responsibility to ensure that he
>> is well trained and behaved. I'm not there to say that "He's aggressive
>> when I'm not around" (he's not, but how do they know) or "He's not
>> friendly to strangers" (he is, but once again, they don't know that).
>> Also, these people don't think "hmm, this dog's owner is responsible for
>> anything that might happen as a result of my self-absorbed stupidity".
>> There are lots of reasons why a person might not want their dog touched,
>> be it some sort of service animal or otherwise. They might not want their
>> dog distracted; they might not wish their dog to seek people because they
>> expect to be rubbed; their dog may be a rescue dog with many emotional or
>> mental issues with which the new owner is trying to work (which may result
>> in aggression toward new people); and finally, the owner is responsible
>> for that person's unwarranted familiarity.
>> Also, it's rude to just molest somebody else's property. I don't walk up
>> to strangers and fondle their phones or handbags because I find them
>> "cute", "adorable", or "interesting", so why should they? I find it
>> particularly annoying when people come huffing alongside me, asking if
>> they can pet the dog--you know, because I'm clearly not walking anywhere,
>> I'm just having a leisurely stroll...with a  backpack...whilst wearing a
>> suit and tie...you know, the usual relaxation attire for people with not
>> much to do or anywhere to be at any particular time...in June.
>> Also, some people are confused that I pet or pat the dog whilst in harness
>> and they can't. Usually at this point, I have run out of energy. I go home
>> and cry for about an hour and a half, and book the nearest psychotherapist
>> for the next six months in order to reaffirm my grasp on reality.
>> I really do appreciate it when people ask first, as they do 90% of the
>> time. That gives me an opportunity to politely reject their request and
>> offer a quick explanation as to why, so they don't feel as though they
>> asked an unreasonable question or that my rejection had something to do
>> with them.
>> I guess my "quick note" turned into a "jumbled rant", so I will call it
>> quits here. As always, I look forward to further reading.
>> Sincerely,
>> Robert Hooper
>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>> The Ohio State University
>> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
>> 653 Cuyahoga Court
>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>> (740) 856-8195
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie McGinnity
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:59 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] back with question and update
>>
>> Hi Marcia.  I'm sorry that happened to you, but it looks like you're
>> handling it well.  I use my feet all the time to help me determine what
>> Brie is doing.  There have been times when I have caught her nose because
>> it was on the ground sniffing when I was trying to find her body with my
>> feet.  I feel horrible when I do things like that, but as blind people, we
>> will trip over or run into our dogs on occasion.  It sounds horrible to
>> say, and that's one of the reasons I have begun working with Brie so that
>> she will find my hand with her nose.
>>
>> About the article...  There are so many things to say that I'm not sure an
>> article can say it all.  One of the biggest things I notice is that people
>> don't understand that working dog does not equal pet.  If you see a dog
>> working, it is not your right to come up and pet it.
>> Likewise, if a working dog sniffs you, and its handler corrects it(tells
>> the dog to leave it), it is not your place to interact with the dog or
>> judge the handler.  I'd say that questions about guide dogs and what is or
>> is not proper conduct between someone outside the working team and the
>> guide dog is something that a person could contact nagdu about.
>>
>> There is so much educating that needs to be done that it amazes me.
>> Good luck with the article!
>>
>> On 5/14/12, Criminal Justice Major <orleans24 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi, Marsha,
>>> Welcome back and hope you recover from your cold.
>>> Yes, I've had someone file a complaint on me with the Denver Dumb
>>> Friends League, claiming I was hitting Odie and he wasn't being fed.
>>> An investigator came over and check out Odie, stating Odie looked
>>> happy and well that nothing was wrong with him.
>>> Truth was that Odie wanted the man out of our apartment.
>>> I had to immediately contact Denver Animal Contrl and ask about the
>>> individual who came up to my apartment to see if he was an actual
>>> investigator or not and the representative was very helpful.
>>> She even backed me up to say that Odie and I were both happy together
>>> and that we love each other.
>>> It really irritates me when people just love to stick their noses in
>>> someone's business at the wrong time.
>>> Animal Control has told me it really bothers them when people don't
>>> get the facts straight, especially if people act like they're too
>>> scared to come forward face to face.
>>> Too bad they weren't able to find out who did this and I'd sure as
>>> heck love to.
>>> I had to contact Pilot Dogs and tell Jay Gray what exactly happened
>>> and I honestly admitted that if I didn't love Odie, then why would I
>>> have even gone to training and stuck with him?
>>> As far as the article thing, you can definitely say that both blind
>>> individual and guide dog happily work together as a team should be
>>> doing since that's what they were matched and meant to be in the very
>>> beginning.
>>> While some teams may not widely display or show feelings for each
>>> other, there are some great guide dog teams out as both dog and
>>> handler enjoy each other's company and working together.
>>> Yes, Odie was a big brat during class and he most certainly gave me a
>>> run for my money's worth.
>>> I look back and despite I had moments of where I just wanted to pack
>>> up and leave, it wasn't allowed to happen.
>>> The two of us initially became one great team with a powerful, strong
>>> bond.
>>> Yes, Odie knows how to back talk to me with the use of his body
>>> language, but it never changes anything between the two of us.
>>> When I do go back to retrain with another guide dog at Pilot Dogs,
>>> Dale and Odie will both escort me to the airport and definitely to the
>>> airplane.
>>> It will be hard to say good-bye and I know some tears will be shed
>>> upon Odie feeling the sadness of me being gone for a while.
>>> I'll look forward to the day of coming back home with a new partner
>>> next to me upon seeing my husband and Odie too.
>>> He's a member of the family and he plays an important valuable part too.
>>> I do hope everything pans out and no one else tries to say any other
>>> smack toward you either, especially the falsified claims of abuse.
>>> *Disgusted*
>>> Bibi
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind of
>> Missouri recording secretary, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the
>> Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone
>> who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
>> John 3:16
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