[nagdu] Diabetic alert dogs and how alert dogs are preventing a need for a guide dog!

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Thu Nov 8 20:38:21 UTC 2012


Hi there,
I would like to write you off list on behalf of this topic, sense I 
think I am around my five for the day.
My address is
dmgina at samobile.net
Thanks,
Original message:
>         Exactly Cindy.

> I also wonder if Joe Blow with his diabetes alert dog could claim a 
> harrassment or some kind of discrimination suit if he was persistently 
> asked questions by another patron or staff member.
> Anybody have an answer to this?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Diabetic alert dogs and how alert dogs are 
> preventing a need for a guide dog!

> No, I wasn't talking about hurting feelings. I was just saying that if 
> Joe Blow came in with his dog and said he was a diabetes alert dog, you 
> would have to accept it unless it behaved in ways that were not 
> indicative of a well trained dog. You can't ask for an ID because even 
> if they could show you one ... Not sure what you are so upset about. I 
> just don't see any way that you could find out except that if they wear 
> something that marks them and someone who could see was there, they 
> might tell you. And if a dog isn't being well behaved and is causing 
> trouble, it can be asked to leave a public place whether it is a guide 
> or diabetes alert dog or what, yes?

> CL


> Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:21 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

>> Ok if I am asking a question that would hurt someones feelings because 
>> I asked, then why do I need to worry about other dogs not being service dogs.
>> Just let the public bring in all of their dogs and I don't have to ask 
>> anything.
>> That is what is wrong with our world today don't ask, you will upset 
>> the apple cart.
>> We sure have two different standards here.
>> One hand we want to know that we are ok, but we can't ask any questions 
>> on what is happening when a baarking dog comes into play, we might hurt 
>> their feelings.
>> Gee, what a world.
>> Original message:
>>> How would you know if any dog was a service dog. I think you mostly 
>>> just have to go on faith, don't you? I am sure I have missed something 
>>> here, but that is the same kind of problem we are asking people to 
>>> face. We would just have to accept their word until it seemed 
>>> otherwise, I think. Otherwise, don't you run the risk of alienating a 
>>> legitimate dog handler or negating that person's rights?
>>> CL


>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:50 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

>>>> Hello,
>>>> Thanks for sharing, and yes even my guide lets me know if I am to low.
>>>> My question never got answered for me to be satisfied.
>>>> As a total, and this strange dog comes into play where the person says 
>>>> it is a diabetic dog, nothing on the dog to indicate that the dog is a 
>>>> service dog, just a person coming into the room with a chain collar on 
>>>> dog claiming that it is a diabetic dog.
>>>> No coat of any kind no nothing.
>>>> So if a total was trying to make sure that we didn't have anyone just 
>>>> bringing in their pet how would we know.
>>>> It is obvious we didn't know at this convention.
>>>> We as guide dog users are trying to make sure we can keep working our 
>>>> dogs for as long as possible with out any more rules to the game.
>>>> Where I am not impressed that my neighbor can put a collar on his 
>>>> shepherd and claim it is a service dog a diabetic dog.
>>>> I hope I made myself clear this time.
>>>> Now my neighbor isn't claiming this, just follow the thread of writing thanks,
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi gang,

>>>>> I will only speak to diabetic alert dogs, since there seem to be some 
>>>>> questions.  There are numerous programs that train diabetic alert dogs 
>>>>> and even owner-trainers.  They range from the rather large and very 
>>>>> well-established Dogs 4 Diabetics (d4d) in Concord, CA to smaller/newer 
>>>>> programs to owner-trained dogs.  d4d is an ADI member program.  ADI is 
>>>>> the equivalent of IGDF, so d4d is very highly regarded in general. Some 
>>>>> of the smaller/newer programs do a better job than others, so those are 
>>>>> buyer-beware.  Really, though, diabetic alerting is largely a matter of 
>>>>> fairly straightforward scent training...so it doesn't take that long 
>>>>> and many competent people have decided to train their own dogs.  That 
>>>>> can be a just fine option, too.  Almost everyone from d4d to 
>>>>> owner-trainer uses fairly similar standards.  The dogs are trained to 
>>>>> alert their person when the person's blood glucose begins to drop too 
>>>>> low (60-70, normal is at least 80).  If the dog
>>>>> can tell the person who is at 65, the person should not be too 
>>>>> incapacitated at that point to do the things they need to do to help 
>>>>> themselves raise their blood glucose.  This is especially critical when 
>>>>> the diabetic (usually type 1 diabetic, btw, but not ALWAYS) is asleep. 
>>>>> Diabetics are at serious risk of a phenomenon called "Dead in Bed". 
>>>>> Their numbers get too low while they sleep and they slip into a coma 
>>>>> and are dead or confused and unable to help themselves and can die even 
>>>>> if "awake" in the morning...no sugar is reaching their brain and so 
>>>>> they can't think straight to drink juice or swallow glucose tablets or 
>>>>> whatever and that's it.  Very sad and scary.  The beauty here is that a 
>>>>> human's sleep cycle is quite long...multiple hours.  A dog's sleep 
>>>>> cycle is FAR shorter...I want to say about 90 minutes or so.  This 
>>>>> means that the dog is mostly awake and can smell the low on their 
>>>>> person and wake them up to tell them at many different points
>>>>> throughout the night.  The dogs are generally taught to alert to the 
>>>>> lows and not really the highs because the highs are SO easy to 
>>>>> smell...even you or I can smell it, no problem.  The ketones smell 
>>>>> really sweet when someone is running high, so the diabetic's breath 
>>>>> will reek!  Dogs often will start to alert the highs once they get that 
>>>>> their job is to tell their human when they're smelling funny, but dogs 
>>>>> who are rewarded too often for alerting to high often start to only 
>>>>> alert to high because it's so easy for them to smell.  What we really 
>>>>> NEED the dog alerting to is the lows, though, so can't let the dogs get 
>>>>> lazy and stop smelling for the harder to catch lows!

>>>>> Long story short - there are very legitimate glucose level alerting 
>>>>> dogs for diabetics.  I have no idea if the St. Bernard was one - that's 
>>>>> a whole different ball of wax that I won't touch - but at least now 
>>>>> everyone knows more about the dogs for diabetics.

>>>>> Oh, I should mention since I think my email makes it sound like maybe 
>>>>> these dogs only need to be home use - that is far from the case.  The 
>>>>> dogs will also do things like ride close enough to someone driving and 
>>>>> be able to alert the person in case their sugar goes out of whack while 
>>>>> they are driving.  (I'm sure everyone can see how this is a useful 
>>>>> service!)  A dog may sit under a programmer's desk at work and alert 
>>>>> them that they're low...big bonus for everyone since when sugar goes 
>>>>> low, brain function declines and suddenly you've got a programmer 
>>>>> probably making all kinds of errors.  All sorts of things like that, so 
>>>>> the dogs do need public access and protection just like guide dogs and 
>>>>> other kinds of more commonly recognized service dogs.

>>>>> Cool to note is that d4d actually gets a number of their dogs from none 
>>>>> other than the nearby GDB.  It's a good career change.  Often a dog 
>>>>> that won't make the cut as a guide can make a great alert dog.  I'm 
>>>>> sure you all know how big the percentage is of guide dog handlers who 
>>>>> need guides because of diabetes complications, so actually getting a 
>>>>> well-trained glucose level alert dog into the hands of a young diabetic 
>>>>> is a wonderful way to help them keep their numbers MUCH better 
>>>>> controlled and postpone or even prevent that person from ever needing a 
>>>>> Guide due to diabetes complications.  I think this is great as long as 
>>>>> it's done well, ethically, safely, etc!

>>>>> Dogs rock.  It's people I sometimes wonder about.  ;)  j/k (sort of!)

>>>>> Dailyah Rudek
>>>>> The ProBoneO Program, Director




>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 4:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] In question please

>>>>>> Yes, there are dogs that can alert to changes in blood sugar levels.  
>>>>>> There is even a program that trains this type of dog.  I'm remembering 
>>>>>> it's in the northwest, Washington or Oregon?  Of course the dog 
>>>>>> wouldn't have had to come from this or any program to be trained to 
>>>>>> alert to the guy's medical condition.


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