[nagdu] retirement

Wed Nov 21 00:00:17 UTC 2012

Hello Ann,
Thank you. I think that you have a point, and I have been thinking about it
a lot lately. I will hopefully hear from Pilot soon, and will ask about
getting Princess back if she does not work out for other people.
hannah

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ann Edie
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:37 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement

Hi, Hannah,

I certainly sympathize with your pain and feeling of loss.  I have had to
send back two guide dogs that didn't make it after placement.  However, even
if you do have ownership of Princess, if the dog is under age 5 or so and is
healthy and would probably be able to serve as a guide for someone with a
different lifestyle, I think almost any school would want to get the dog
back so that they could prepare her to go out with another blind person.
The school has a lot of time and money invested in each dog, and they do not
want to see a dog retired unnecessarily.  If you could keep her yourself,
and if you had had her long enough that she would only have a couple of
years of work left, then I think the school would be happy to have you keep
her as a pet.  But since she is young and probably able to work for someone
in a less distracting environment for many years, it would seem like a waste
to place her as a pet with someone with whom she is not already bonded.  In
other words, since you have to give her up anyway, why prevent her from
becoming a guide for someone else, just for the chance to perhaps see her
once in a while?  (I don't know, but it might make a difference as to
whether the school exerts itself to find another dog for you quickly, if
that is what you want.)

Perhaps you could get Pilot to agree in writing to give her back to you for
placement as a pet if they re-evaluate her and decide for whatever reason
not to send her out again as a guide.

Best,
Ann

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:45 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement

Tina,
Thank you for your concern. I am concerned as well. I'm not really sure who
has ownership, and I think I might have a copy of the agreement but it's at
home so I don't have access to it right now. I will call and ask. If I do
have ownership of Princess, then that would be wonderful!
hannah

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:41 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement

Hannah- I have been reading the messages concerning your situation with
having to retire   your dog. I am very sorry to hear that Princess has to be
retired at such a young age. However, what has me really concerned is the
fact that you believe that Pilot still has ownership of your dog. Now your
fellow Pilot grads have stated that you do have ownership upon graduation.
My question to you is do you have a copy of your ownership agreement? And
also, is it clear on the complete ownership? The reason I'm asking this is
because there have been some instances where schools have said they grant
full ownership upon completion of training however within the ownership
agreement there is a Claus that states that the school may take procession
of the dog if they deem necessary. 
Best 
Tina          

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:53 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement

Thank you marsha and all. Yes, university life is very difficult for dogs
and it does take a lot. Guess Princess doesn't have it either.
She is only 3 acording to Pilot, and they seem to want her back. I haven't
really been able to connect with them because they are not calling me back.
I can't have a pet in the dorms and I can't really afford to keep one
either, but I do have very close friends who would love to have Princess.
I'm going to do my best to try to keep her, but since I don't have ownership
of her and she is only 3, I think that she'll get some more training with
Pilot and go work with someone else. Maybe she'll do better in other
environments, who knows...

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 7:36 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement

Hannah, 

Awwww I am very very sorry to hear about this. Its so hard to retire your
parnter at any point. Espically during your semester. I have been there done
that, not sure i want to do that again. 

I am learning as a university student myself it takes a very very special
pup to be able to put up with university life. My university also has many
of the same challenges as yours. Squirrels, bikers, skateboarders, thousands
of students, cars, trucks, subway, train, birds, and more. The pup so far is
doing great, emma could not. 

I wish you luck. Will you keep Princess as a pet? And will you get another
guide? Just curious. 

Marsha drenth
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http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com 

On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:58 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I hope everyone is doing well. I haven't been posting or keeping up 
> with everything recently because this is my first quarter at UC Davis 
> and things have been pretty crazy. Now that everything is sort of 
> falling in to place, I wanted to welcome everyone who is new to the 
> list, the people who have returned, and an update about Princess.
> Unfortunately she has not improved much since I last posted about her
work.
> it has been almost a year, and campus is a pretty busy place. We have 
> a lot of distractions - all the students, over 20,000 bikes, and the 
> millions of squirrels that we pass every day - so Princess is not 
> doing so well. I thought that perhaps being here for over 3 months 
> would help, but it has not, and she continuously walks me in to 
> objects, wants to run after the squirrels or students, and seeks 
> attention from everyone who says something along the lines of, "awww!
> Cute
doggie!".
> With all this in mind, I have decided that I will retire her because 
> of all the stress for her and for me.
> I know that it will be a great loss since we've bonded, but I've also 
> had a lot of time to get used to this idea. I don't know when I will 
> retire her because Pilot has not been very good about returning my 
> calls, but I do know that it will happen very soon.
> I'm sure many of you have gone through this before, and I just hope 
> that I won't be too depressed over it.
> Once again I hope everyone is doing well with your guides, and happy 
> Thanksgiving! :) All the best, Hannah
> 
> 
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