[nagdu] NAGDU's Position: Ownership of your dog

Dmgina dmgina at samobile.net
Fri Nov 23 21:20:10 UTC 2012 

Yes I agree with you on this  

Dar
Every saint has a past, 
Every sinner has a future 


On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:50 AM, "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Dear All,
>   Just for your information, it is the official position of the National Association of Guide Dog Users that guide dog training programs should transfer complete ownership of the guide dog to the consumer upon completion of training. Though some training programs cite seemingly compelling reasons why this is not done, none of the reasons are valid. To the best of my knowledge, four training programs - Guide Dogs of America, Guide Dog Foundation, Southeastern Guide Dogs, and The Seeing Eye - have policies transferring ownership upon completion of training. All the others have "probation" periods ranging from six months to two years. The program that transfers ownership after six months - Fidelco Guide Dogs - has a clause allowing them to repossess the dog at any time and for any reason, even if ownership has been transferred. Other programs require consumers to submit verification that their dog has been seen by a veterinarian on an annual basis and send them copy of their dog's health records. None of these policies, in my opinion, reflect true ownership, at all.
>   As consumers, we should demand that training programs transfer ownership upon completion of training. The idea that blind people must pass a probationary period and prove they are competent to own and care for a dog before gaining ownership is founded in the archaic belief that blind people are, by nature of our blindness, less competent than our sighted peers.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Cole" <debbieanne1124 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of your dog
> 
> 
>> Sarah
>> Some schools offer complete ownership at time of Graduation.  I ahve
>> heard some schools make you wait 2 years.
>> You know After my fall and hospitalization when Leone pulled me in a
>> dog distractiona nd she was taken from me for evaluation and re-train
>> the ownership contract was changed for another year.  So here I wait.
>> I actually forgot about the ownership contract.  so make sure you do
>> the signing and sending it in and everything right on time.
>> 
>> Debbie & Leone
>> 
>> On 11/20/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do most schools make you wait a year to claim ownership? Gdd
>>> does.  They said I will have ownership on October 7th, 2013.
>>> 
>>> Sarah and Wizard
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:31:59 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement
>>> 
>>> Hannah,
>>> 
>>> i am sorry you won't get to keep her.  That really stinks.  If my
>>> memory is serving me correctly, Princess is a poodle, right?
>>> There are other schools who use poodles, where you can get
>>> ownership.  Not that I am plugging for my school, but its
>>> something to think about.  I have also had a pup, and had to send
>>> her back to the school because of that ownership thing.  I won't
>>> go back to a school that doesn't give ownership every again.
>>> 
>>> When is your semester over? Nor did I realize that you were
>>> living in dorms.  I am sorry.  atleast for me, I commute to my
>>> university so I can escape that life.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Hannah Chadwick"
>>> <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you marsha and all.  Yes, university life is very
>>> difficult for dogs
>>> and it does take a lot.  Guess Princess doesn't have it either.
>>> She is only 3 acording to Pilot, and they seem to want her back.
>>> I haven't
>>> really been able to connect with them because they are not
>>> calling me back.
>>> I can't have a pet in the dorms and I can't really afford to
>>> keep one
>>> either, but I do have very close friends who would love to have
>>> Princess.
>>> I'm going to do my best to try to keep her, but since I don't
>>> have ownership
>>> of her and she is only 3, I think that she'll get some more
>>> training with
>>> Pilot and go work with someone else.  Maybe she'll do better in
>>> other
>>> environments, who knows...
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 7:36 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] retirement
>>> 
>>> Hannah,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Awwww I am very very sorry to hear about this.  Its so hard to
>>> retire your
>>> parnter at any point.  Espically during your semester.  I have
>>> been there done
>>> that, not sure i want to do that again.
>>> 
>>> I am learning as a university student myself it takes a very
>>> very special
>>> pup to be able to put up with university life.  My university
>>> also has many
>>> of the same challenges as yours.  Squirrels, bikers,
>>> skateboarders, thousands
>>> of students, cars, trucks, subway, train, birds, and more.  The
>>> pup so far is
>>> doing great, emma could not.
>>> 
>>> I wish you luck.  Will you keep Princess as a pet? And will you
>>> get another
>>> guide? Just curious.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:58 PM, "Hannah Chadwick"
>>> <sparklylicious at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I hope everyone is doing well.  I haven't been posting or
>>> keeping up
>>> with everything recently because this is my first quarter at UC
>>> Davis
>>> and things have been pretty crazy.  Now that everything is sort
>>> of
>>> falling in to place, I wanted to welcome everyone who is new to
>>> the
>>> list, the people who have returned, and an update about
>>> Princess.
>>> Unfortunately she has not improved much since I last posted
>>> about her
>>> work.
>>> it has been almost a year, and campus is a pretty busy place.
>>> We have
>>> a lot of distractions - all the students, over 20,000 bikes, and
>>> the
>>> millions of squirrels that we pass every day - so Princess is
>>> not
>>> doing so well.  I thought that perhaps being here for over 3
>>> months
>>> would help, but it has not, and she continuously walks me in to
>>> objects, wants to run after the squirrels or students, and seeks
>>> attention from everyone who says something along the lines of,
>>> "awww! Cute
>>> doggie!".
>>> With all this in mind, I have decided that I will retire her
>>> because
>>> of all the stress for her and for me.
>>> I know that it will be a great loss since we've bonded, but I've
>>> also
>>> had a lot of time to get used to this idea.  I don't know when I
>>> will
>>> retire her because Pilot has not been very good about returning
>>> my
>>> calls, but I do know that it will happen very soon.
>>> I'm sure many of you have gone through this before, and I just
>>> hope
>>> that I won't be too depressed over it.
>>> Once again I hope everyone is doing well with your guides, and
>>> happy
>>> Thanksgiving! :) All the best, Hannah
>>> 
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