[nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.

[Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)]

GDF seems to be the only school that teaches off-leash anything. 
In Europe guide dog users are encouraged to let their dogs free run, i.e. run off-leash, something we in the U.S. are strongly *discouraged* from doing. 

The flip side is that we are encouraged to take our dogs and go exploring, something that doesn't seem to happen in Europe. 

Am I right in this? 

The lady from Sweeden also said that people with guide dogs have no access rights.  I find it intriguing that dog users are not encouraged to go exploring, and also have no access rights.  I can't help wondering if this is due to the school being sponsored (they get their money) from the government. 
It almost sounds like while the government sponsors the school, actual users have very little reason to get a dog. They have no access rights, and they need to be shown a route by a sighted person before they do it with their dogs.  
And I realized I may have confused by my term "off-leash". I probably should have used "free run". 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:08 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.

WWhat do you mean by off leash? And what do you mean by government? Something that GDF teachs alot on is the off leash recall. I can go out of the room, leave my dog in a sit stay, or a down stay and when I come back she will still be there. Not sure what you mean,  so I wanted to get clarificiation. 



Marsha drenth  
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:57 AM, "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:

> That was mine too, I am just very curious. 
> Look at all the fun we've had discussing off-leash anything on this list, something our schools don't recommend. 
> I'm wondering if folks who are using dogs are infantilized because of the government support? 
> Access rights in Sweeden suck. I can't help seeing a connection. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:54 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.
> 
> Rebecca, I think you might be too literal on this. This is the preferred method; they can go on their own, but the school doesn't recommend it. At least that was my read on it.
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> 
>> Wow.
>> So you're saying in Sweeden you have to get someone to help you before you take the dog? What happens if a friend says "There's a great sandwich shop" and gives you directions but can't go with you when you want to go for the first time?
>> I'm curious to know if cane users have the same rules?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nadja Öberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:37 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.
>> 
>> 
>> BS"D
>> 
>> Maria,
>> 
>> In Sweden we owners first learn the new road with help of our low vision therapist, family member, friend or guide dog instructor. After that we walk the road with the dog in her lead and show her the road and what we want her to mark, lampposts, steps and zebra crossings with more. After that we work the dog in her harness.
>> 
>> We can also 'free work' our dogs and that means that we haven't work the dog that road before and often the road is even unknown for the owner. The school don't recommend this method because all guide dogs aren't made for it. I've done it with my dog; she loves new adventures and thinks known roads are boring. You can use a GPS when you work your dog. You need to remember to praise the dog even if she doesn't find the 'right' lamppost; it's your fault when it goes wrong not the dog because she doesn't know what you expect from her.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Nadja and Hera
>> 
>> Webpage: http://www.nadjaoberg.com
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