[nagdu] things on the floor was Re: Dogs and instructors

Wed Oct 17 16:56:44 UTC 2012

You are so right.  I gathered in class when students go home 2 weeks
on leash and tie down.  But there are the special needs cases.  (Like
me and Sarah)  where we have special instructions.

On 10/17/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this discussion only shows us that all dogs are different.  I
> never keep my dog on tiedown or leash in the house because she can
> handle the freedom very well.  She also knows the "go to bed" command.
>  :)  But I have many friends who do this because their dogs can't
> handle that much freedom or can't handle it all the time.  I think
> it's Marsha who said that it's what you look for in a guide.  To be
> honest, some days my dog behaves better in the house than she does
> when we're out, and I think I would prefer it the other way around.  I
> think there is also a difference in behavior between younger and older
> dogs.  You also have to consider the temperament of the dog and how
> playful it is.  Some dogs will go on a destructive rampage if they are
> not played with enough.
>
> I agree with Cindy here.  All dogs have their moments.  Even if you
> know your dog can behave well around food, it is possible to slip.
> But the moments should be only that: moments.  If it happens every
> day, it turns from a moment to a problem.
>
> On 10/17/12, Debbie Cole <debbieanne1124 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do agree that the puppy trainers should train the pups to not chew
>> things.  Labs are forever puppies.  Babies teething.  I ahven't had a
>> problem with my yellow Lab chewing things off the floor or furniture
>> but she steals socks and runs with it in her mouth.  I might have
>> unmatched socks on my dresser and she steals them.  I have to keep
>> doors closed when not on tie down or leash.
>>
>> On 10/17/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I guess this goes under the "puppy proofing" rule. If you think your pup
>>> is
>>> going to chew on it, then don't have it on the floor. If a pup chews up
>>> say
>>> a shoe, off leash, then that pup goes back on leash for a certain amount
>>> of
>>> time. There has to be rules.
>>>
>>> I do agree that outdoor guiding work is structured. Inside out harness
>>> is
>>> not. Such a new concept for me, is that my new guide leash guides. This
>>> could bring up a long list of discussions. But if I were in my home,
>>> needing
>>> to be guided, technically that pup is working. Its not the harness that
>>> makes our guides, guide dogs. Its what it does for us. So yes they pups
>>> are
>>> allowed to play and be loved, but at the same time, if they are expected
>>> to
>>> have manners out of the home, inside of the home is the same.
>>>
>>> Different programs focus on different things. I guess that is what I
>>> look
>>> for in a guide, one who can behave in my home.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents,
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Meghan Whalen <mewhalen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Guiding is a controlled structured activity.  Off leash at home is not.
>>>> Dogs know the difference for sure.  A lot of it is how they are raised.
>>>> A
>>>> lot of it is not, though, too.  If the dog takes
>>>> socks/wallets/whatever,
>>>> put said things away.  Problem solved.  Just my thoughts, of course,
>>>> but
>>>> I
>>>> believe in setting the dog up for success instead of creating an
>>>> environment full of potential failure.
>>>>
>>>> Meghan
>>>>
>>>> On 10/17/2012 10:05 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>> Marsha, I agree with you.
>>>>> Cindy, your answer makes sense, I just don't understand why a dog
>>>>> would
>>>>> guide well then act like an ass at home.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>> Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] things on the floor was Re: Dogs and instructors
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I won't be liked for what I have to say on this topic. I think a
>>>>> dogs house manners have alot to do with what the puppy raisers teach
>>>>> the
>>>>> puppys in those first few months. I know dogs will be dogs, but not
>>>>> all
>>>>> dogs chew everything in sight. Also if the dog is worked enough, no
>>>>> board, then there is no reason for a pup to chew on things in the
>>>>> home.
>>>>> We as handlers can influence our dogs not to chew on things. Like I
>>>>> said
>>>>> this is my opinion only.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>> http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody else find it irronic that we're supposed to trust these
>>>>>> dogs to keep us safe in traffic but we can't trust them to act
>>>>>> properly
>>>>>> when we leave stuff on the floor?
>>>>>> That isn't logical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>>>>>> Coleman
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:41 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to be very careful about what I leave on the floor as well.
>>>>>> You could try leaving toys down for your dog to see if that will
>>>>>> distract him from picking up your socks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/17/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cool! That's awesome I'll try that with my dog if he stops
>>>>>>> putting socks in his mouth and stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:17:21 -0400
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy, that's what I've been told as well; keep the dog on
>>>>>>> leash/tie
>>>>>>> down for about two weeks and slowly introduce the dog to
>>>>>>> supervised
>>>>>>> time off leash.  My dog was completely off leash by the fourth
>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>> home, and I tie him during the night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/16/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but when I
>>>>>>> have received
>>>>>>> my dogs, I was told to keep them on leash full time for two
>>>>>>> weks; then I can
>>>>>>> begin letting them off.  I usually have them pretty much off in
>>>>>>> the house by
>>>>>>> three weeks to a month depending on their reaction.  I always
>>>>>>> tie them at
>>>>>>> night.  So this is the first time I have heard of students at
>>>>>>> the schools
>>>>>>> being told to keep dogs on leash or tie down six months to a
>>>>>>> year.  I was
>>>>>>> never told that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>>>>
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