[nagdu] Time on leash or tie-down, was Dogs and instructors

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Sat Oct 20 14:55:18 UTC 2012


I don't remember being told to keep the dog on leash or tie-down for
months by either TSE or GDB.  Maybe TSE said a month; I forget.
I kept Ben on leash or tie-down for a week or so, then started letting him
roam with supervision.  When I saw he was fine, I stopped with the leash
and tie-down.  I remember the process being the same with my other dogs. 
I don't think any of them spent more than a couple weeks on leash when
they got home.  I kept them on tie-down during the night for a while, but
eventually stopped even that.
My first 4 dogs lived with me in small places--one-room apartments or dorm
rooms--so supervising them off-leash was not a problem, but the process
seems to work the same, now I have a house, though it might take a little
longer to set them free.
But it sounds like I have to add acceptable house manners to the list of
things I need to say, that I thought went without saying, next time I'm
telling my school about my dog needs.
Tracy

> Most training programs ask that the dogs be on leach for  six months to a
> year because they are going in to a new environment and it helps with the
> bonding process as well as you and the dog getting adjusted to the new
> surroundings. I have worked dogs for 25 years and I just came home a
> couple
> of months ago and my dog is on leach in the house and on tie down at
> night.
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:26 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
> yeah but the trainers said I had to do it.  He follows me around anyway
> but
> he can't be off-leash if there's dog iood down that's not his own.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:09:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
> I don't know that leaving your dog on leash for 6 months will show your
> dog
> not to follow you.  When you are at home your dog will probably always
> follow you around.
>
>
>
> On 10/16/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Your dog will stay on leash for at least six months? BTW, Sarah,
> are the
>  trainers still actually working with you only at home? How often
> are they
>  there.  I am sort of confused as to what your status is with the
> school.
>
>  CL
>
>  On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
>  my dog will stay on leash for at least 6 months.  He still tries
> to follow
>  me if I let him off in my room but he's always on leash or
> tie-down except
>  for when I play with him in the yard.  But when the instructors
> are here
>  he's just on leash until they say to put his harness on.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net
>  To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:34:28 -0400
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Hi Sarah,
>  Can you keep your dog on leash with you, then you know what is
>  happening with him at all times.
>  This is a problem living with family and taking training, with a
> guide
>  dog.
>  One of the things I mentioned to you before you got the dog.
>  Now you have him, and just keep him on leash so he gets to know
> you.
>  I am also in my second month with my guide, and when anyone
> comes to
>  the door, he is on leash.
>  I even ask my husband not to open door until dog is on leash.
>  Then I know I have the control.
>  Wishing you the best.
>  Original message:
>  They said to just do a strong leash correction but I wish they
>  wouldn't make eye contact and interact with the dog.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
>  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of
> Guide
>  Dog Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:34:28 +0000
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  It's an excuse if they are doing this then telling you to "keep
>  him under control" without telling you how to make that happen.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:59 PM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  It's not excuses they told me that the dogs should fet excited
>  because they have been working with the dogs for the past 6
>  months.  And every time they come they always make contact with
>  the dog to make him more excited.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
>  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of
> Guide
>  Dog Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:55:00 +0000
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Sounds like excuse making to me.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>  Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:32 PM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Yeah I'll ask Emceafor about it, but the last time they just
> said
>  that the dogs will always get excited.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:11:17 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Did you talk with the instrutors about it? When I had a similar
>  problem, I found the dog would work for me in places we hadn't
>  been before.  Be sure you are talking about it.
>
>  Cindy
>
>  On Oct 14, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
>  With Wizard, he drags me out the gate to get to Emily and will
>  not listen to me very good when they're around, and it makes me
>  feel more discouraged every time they come over.  Then if they
>  get a few feet behind us, he won't go.  They wanted to stay a
> few
>  blocks behind us but Wizard wouldn't hop up and I don't know how
>  to fix it.
>
>  Sarah and Wizard
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
>  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:34:26 -0400
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Motley only wagged his tail at the trainer once when she came
>  over with some
>  scissors to cut the hair around his eyes.
>
>  We were told to keep the dogs under control.
>
>  It wasn't easy at the beginning, but we did it somehow.
>
>  Chantel and Motley
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>  Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:57 AM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users
>  Subject: [nagdu] Dogs and instructors
>
>  Hello everyone,
>  When you first got your dogs, did your dogs go nuts when they
>  saw
>  the trainers? What did you do? Did you let them go nuts and say
>  hi to the trainers or get them under control?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
>  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:51:54 -0400
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M services with a dog
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  When I first came home from Pilot with Motley, the trainer and
>  my
>  mobility
>  instructor worked on my area with Motley and I.
>
>  My mobility instructor seemed to be familiar with guide dogs
>  because she and
>  the trainer go way back.
>
>  Anyhow, she was able to help Motley and I along with routes here
>  in my
>  neighborhood, and it's worked out great!
>
>  All my best,
>
>  Chantel and Motley
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>  Ray
>  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:31 PM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>  Users
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M services with a dog
>
>  I know that lots of these folks don't know much about dog use,
>  but as they
>  show us a route, can't we tell them what we need? That's how
>  I've
>  dealt with
>  any here.
>
>  Cindy Lou
>
>  On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>
>  We have an O and M instructor in this area who's very familiar
>  with how
>  guide dog teams work.  I hear she's leaving, though.  I think
>  one
>  or two of
>  the O and M instructors at our private blindness agency know
>  about dogs,
>  too, but, yes, those are few and far between.  I know some of
>  the
>  schools
>  offer O and M people the opportunity to work with a dog, etc.,
>  but I wonder
>  how much they get to learn in the space of a couple of days.  In
>  other
>  words, do they learn enough to be able to help someone learn a
>  route or to
>  know what the dog is or isn't dong or the owner is or isn't
>  doing.
>
>  Margo and Arrow
>
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