[nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions

[Michael Hingson]

On the other hand, I believe a church which does not welcome a blind person
with a guide dog is not being welcoming and is discriminating.  Martin
Luther King JR. once said something like the most prejudicial hour of the
week is Sunday at 11AM.  Legal or not a church should above all entities
should welcome all including blind persons with guide dogs. 


Best,


Michael Hingson

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions

Actually, the church is not required to allow you to bring your dog into
their temple, so you may well be doing a good thing not to fight it.

Cindy Lou

On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Again, sorry to get to this thread so late.  but I wanted to say that as a
member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which has been in
the news a lot for our temples and such.  I am not allowed to bring him
inside the temple.
> 
> I know, I could probably fight it.  but there are a lot of Mormons who are
blind and have had, or do have guides, and we all, or most of us, have
decided that the Holiness of the temple trumps our legal right to bring our
dogs inside it.
> anyway, Have a great week, and my prayers and thoughts go out to anyone on
this list directly, or having family affected, by Hurricane Isac.
> 
> Remember, there could've been guides and their handlers involved, and they
need our thoughts and prayers.  Not only everyone else too.
> 
> Jenny
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
> 
>> Julie and Cindy,
>> These things show exactly why the schools tell us not to throw away our
canes or us to never use a cane again.  We have two mobility aids and we
have the capability to use each one as needed and it's all good!
>> 
>> I don't take Landon if it is way too hot for him and I've left him for
some other things as well.  Recently, I left him home when I went to
somebody's tiny bungalow home to make buttons and signs for Pride.  There
were two small dogs and a TON of people crammed into that house and tiny
patio out back.  I was glad not to have had Landon with me.  He literally
would have had NO place to lie down where he wouldn't get stepped on!
Literally! LOL! I was glad to be able to work on our projects without
worrying about him getting stepped on or fed junk by people who didn't know
the rules.  Landon stayed home and snoozed and kept my sister company.  I
didn't bring him to our CityFest event where I staffed my Democratic club's
table.  It was SOOOOOO hot that day!  I did see some dogs there but not as
many as usual for that event - and even some of those dogs wore booties!
Landon's comfort was much more important than his entertaining folks who
came to our booth. He does this out of harness.  He deals well with visiting
and then working because he is a certified therapy dog as well so he enjoys
this alot.  I also leave him home alot when I grocery shop and need to take
a cart on the bus.  Much easier with a cane.
>> 
>> Each person and dog need to do as they deem the right thing to do in any
circumstance and people shouldn't criticise each other for our choices.
>> 
>> Landon goes to funerals and he comforts people there - family members or
my friends - at the appropriate time.  I had him at my Dad's funeral last
week at their church and later at my parents' house where we gathered
afterwards. We will have another memorial in late October when the rest of
our huge family can get there.  Landon will be there as well.
>> 
>> If I ride in private cars or visit private homes where I don't really
know the people, I will ask first before bringing Landon - just courtesy.
And most of the time, they say a resounding YES because most of the people I
know love dogs and animals.
>> 
>> Everyone have a nice Labor Day.  Hope those of you in the path of TS
Isaac are safe and OK.  these storms can be so devastating!
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions
>> 
>> 
>>> There are few places I don't take the dog. Sometimes when with my
daughter, I don't take him for a ride with us if we go for a drive. I will
not take him to fireworks displays, and I stopped taking him when I went to
the gym. However, before I ever got a dog, my husband at the time, Chuck
Hallenbeck, said to me, "Think of all the places you wouldn't think you
would use the dog and then use it anyway", or words to that effect. And that
is what I've always done. It is interesting the differences in people's
philosophy of where to use/take the dog. When I went to the Benedictine
Retreat Center I went to in spring, if they had said I couldn't bring him, I
would have been more amenable to that since I now understand that this is
within their right.
>>> 
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am going to the state fair this weekend.  the temps are supposed to
be in the 90's.  We are going to a tractor pull and then a concert.  Monty
has been to the state fair before, but he's staying home this year. It'll be
too hot, too loud and too uncomfortable for him to lay on bleachers for
hours and hours.  I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to remain semi
comfortable on those bleachers all afternoon and evening.
>>>> 
>>>> I do not take my guides to funerals.  This has nothing to do with the
place of the event, the other people or the dog.  It is because I only
attend funerals of people who I was very close to and I'm in no frame of
mind to be working a guide dog.  I typically go sighted guide with a cane
just in case.
>>>> 
>>>> I have not taken any of my guides on a vacation.  I consider this on a
case by case basis.  I recently traveled to Alaska.  Monty stayed home
because we scheduled a lot of day trips that would have not been appropriate
for him and I couldn't figure out what I'd do with him.  We went clam
digging which is extremely and I mean extremely wet, cold and dirty work.
We went kayaking.  there was no place in the boat for him. We also went
fishing on a small boat.  It ended up that he could have probably fit and
been comfortable on that boat, but I didn't know that before I arrived.
Ditto with the bed and breakfast, it turned out that the owner would have
been fine with Monty there, but she was not required to accept service dogs
because she lives on the premises and only rents a very small number of
rooms.
>>>> 
>>>> I rarely take my guide into friends homes or cars.  The exception is if
he is specifically invited or if I am attending some work related function
with a coworker.
>>>> 
>>>> Other places I don't take Monty: car races, fireworks displays and
llama farms.
>>>> 
>>>> I generally run through the following before taking Monty:
>>>> 1. Is he legally allowed in this place?  If no is he invited or will he
be accepted without impoliteness?
>>>> 2.  Will his coming along make my life easier, more convenient or
improve my options?
>>>> 3.  Will he be comfortable in this place?
>>>> 
>>>> Of course I don't actually go through those questions verbatim each
time, but a lot more so in the beginning when I was still getting the hang
of things.  And sometimes my choice to take him isn't based on the place at
all.  I just left him home yesterday when my husband and I ran to the bank.
Monty had already been on a long walk in the morning and then a regular day
at my office.  It was very hot and he was tired.  I felt like he needed a
break.
>>>> 
>>>> I've noticed that my list of places and circumstances has changed over
the years and with the different personalities of my dogs.  What works for
Monty may be entirely different from my next dog or if Monty was someone
else guide what works for that team combination would likely also be
different.
>>>> 
>>>> JMHO
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
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