[nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions

Mon Sep 3 03:26:51 UTC 2012

*High 5's Michael

On 9/2/12, Michael Hingson <info at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
> On the other hand, I believe a church which does not welcome a blind person
> with a guide dog is not being welcoming and is discriminating.  Martin
> Luther King JR. once said something like the most prejudicial hour of the
> week is Sunday at 11AM.  Legal or not a church should above all entities
> should welcome all including blind persons with guide dogs.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 07:53 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions
>
> Actually, the church is not required to allow you to bring your dog into
> their temple, so you may well be doing a good thing not to fight it.
>
> Cindy Lou
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Again, sorry to get to this thread so late.  but I wanted to say that as
>> a
> member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which has been
> in
> the news a lot for our temples and such.  I am not allowed to bring him
> inside the temple.
>>
>> I know, I could probably fight it.  but there are a lot of Mormons who
>> are
> blind and have had, or do have guides, and we all, or most of us, have
> decided that the Holiness of the temple trumps our legal right to bring our
> dogs inside it.
>> anyway, Have a great week, and my prayers and thoughts go out to anyone
>> on
> this list directly, or having family affected, by Hurricane Isac.
>>
>> Remember, there could've been guides and their handlers involved, and
>> they
> need our thoughts and prayers.  Not only everyone else too.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>
>>> Julie and Cindy,
>>> These things show exactly why the schools tell us not to throw away our
> canes or us to never use a cane again.  We have two mobility aids and we
> have the capability to use each one as needed and it's all good!
>>>
>>> I don't take Landon if it is way too hot for him and I've left him for
> some other things as well.  Recently, I left him home when I went to
> somebody's tiny bungalow home to make buttons and signs for Pride.  There
> were two small dogs and a TON of people crammed into that house and tiny
> patio out back.  I was glad not to have had Landon with me.  He literally
> would have had NO place to lie down where he wouldn't get stepped on!
> Literally! LOL! I was glad to be able to work on our projects without
> worrying about him getting stepped on or fed junk by people who didn't know
> the rules.  Landon stayed home and snoozed and kept my sister company.  I
> didn't bring him to our CityFest event where I staffed my Democratic club's
> table.  It was SOOOOOO hot that day!  I did see some dogs there but not as
> many as usual for that event - and even some of those dogs wore booties!
> Landon's comfort was much more important than his entertaining folks who
> came to our booth. He does this out of harness.  He deals well with
> visiting
> and then working because he is a certified therapy dog as well so he enjoys
> this alot.  I also leave him home alot when I grocery shop and need to take
> a cart on the bus.  Much easier with a cane.
>>>
>>> Each person and dog need to do as they deem the right thing to do in any
> circumstance and people shouldn't criticise each other for our choices.
>>>
>>> Landon goes to funerals and he comforts people there - family members or
> my friends - at the appropriate time.  I had him at my Dad's funeral last
> week at their church and later at my parents' house where we gathered
> afterwards. We will have another memorial in late October when the rest of
> our huge family can get there.  Landon will be there as well.
>>>
>>> If I ride in private cars or visit private homes where I don't really
> know the people, I will ask first before bringing Landon - just courtesy.
> And most of the time, they say a resounding YES because most of the people
> I
> know love dogs and animals.
>>>
>>> Everyone have a nice Labor Day.  Hope those of you in the path of TS
> Isaac are safe and OK.  these storms can be so devastating!
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where I don't take the dog was Lots of Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> There are few places I don't take the dog. Sometimes when with my
> daughter, I don't take him for a ride with us if we go for a drive. I will
> not take him to fireworks displays, and I stopped taking him when I went to
> the gym. However, before I ever got a dog, my husband at the time, Chuck
> Hallenbeck, said to me, "Think of all the places you wouldn't think you
> would use the dog and then use it anyway", or words to that effect. And
> that
> is what I've always done. It is interesting the differences in people's
> philosophy of where to use/take the dog. When I went to the Benedictine
> Retreat Center I went to in spring, if they had said I couldn't bring him,
> I
> would have been more amenable to that since I now understand that this is
> within their right.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am going to the state fair this weekend.  the temps are supposed to
> be in the 90's.  We are going to a tractor pull and then a concert.  Monty
> has been to the state fair before, but he's staying home this year. It'll
> be
> too hot, too loud and too uncomfortable for him to lay on bleachers for
> hours and hours.  I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to remain semi
> comfortable on those bleachers all afternoon and evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not take my guides to funerals.  This has nothing to do with the
> place of the event, the other people or the dog.  It is because I only
> attend funerals of people who I was very close to and I'm in no frame of
> mind to be working a guide dog.  I typically go sighted guide with a cane
> just in case.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not taken any of my guides on a vacation.  I consider this on a
> case by case basis.  I recently traveled to Alaska.  Monty stayed home
> because we scheduled a lot of day trips that would have not been
> appropriate
> for him and I couldn't figure out what I'd do with him.  We went clam
> digging which is extremely and I mean extremely wet, cold and dirty work.
> We went kayaking.  there was no place in the boat for him. We also went
> fishing on a small boat.  It ended up that he could have probably fit and
> been comfortable on that boat, but I didn't know that before I arrived.
> Ditto with the bed and breakfast, it turned out that the owner would have
> been fine with Monty there, but she was not required to accept service dogs
> because she lives on the premises and only rents a very small number of
> rooms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I rarely take my guide into friends homes or cars.  The exception is
>>>>> if
> he is specifically invited or if I am attending some work related function
> with a coworker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other places I don't take Monty: car races, fireworks displays and
> llama farms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I generally run through the following before taking Monty:
>>>>> 1. Is he legally allowed in this place?  If no is he invited or will
>>>>> he
> be accepted without impoliteness?
>>>>> 2.  Will his coming along make my life easier, more convenient or
> improve my options?
>>>>> 3.  Will he be comfortable in this place?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I don't actually go through those questions verbatim each
> time, but a lot more so in the beginning when I was still getting the hang
> of things.  And sometimes my choice to take him isn't based on the place at
> all.  I just left him home yesterday when my husband and I ran to the bank.
> Monty had already been on a long walk in the morning and then a regular day
> at my office.  It was very hot and he was tired.  I felt like he needed a
> break.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've noticed that my list of places and circumstances has changed over
> the years and with the different personalities of my dogs.  What works for
> Monty may be entirely different from my next dog or if Monty was someone
> else guide what works for that team combination would likely also be
> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> JMHO
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
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