[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 90, Issue 22
Pauline Berger
sispberger at gmail.com
Tue Sep 18 06:00:45 UTC 2012
Hello Everyone,
Thanks so much for all of your input. I am sorry but I cannot reply to
everyone individually. I do think I get the gist of what I might be in for
financially. My husband and I are quite good and finding deals and the
best prices on things with the internet and deals at stores. We are
couponers and have eyes trained for the best prices. So, I do think that I
a guide dog would be very doable with our situation. Thanks again for your
help, I really appreciate it!
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> 1. Counting The Costs (Pauline Berger)
> 2. Re: Counting The Costs (d m gina)
> 3. Re: Counting The Costs (Juanita Herrera)
> 4. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 5. Re: Counting The Costs (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 6. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 7. Re: Counting The Costs (rhonda cruz)
> 8. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 9. Re: Downtime in class (Tonia)
> 10. Re: Counting The Costs (Juanita Herrera)
> 11. Re: Downtime in class (Cindy Ray)
> 12. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 13. Re: Counting The Costs (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 14. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 15. Re: Downtime in class (Sarah)
> 16. Re: Downtime in class (Cindy Ray)
> 17. Grooming questions. (Deanna Lewis)
> 18. Re: Counting The Costs (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 19. Re: Downtime in class (Sarah)
> 20. Re: Grooming questions. (Cindy Ray)
> 21. Re: Grooming questions. (Sarah)
> 22. Re: Counting The Costs (Cindy Ray)
> 23. Re: Grooming questions. (Chantel Cuddemi)
> 24. Re: Downtime in class (Cindy Ray)
> 25. Re: Grooming questions. (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 26. Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class (Deanna Lewis)
> 27. Re: Counting The Costs (Mark J. Cadigan)
> 28. Re: Downtime in class (Deanna Lewis)
> 29. Re: Grooming questions. (Sarah)
> 30. Re: Downtime in class (Sarah)
> 31. Re: Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class (Sarah)
> 32. Re: Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class (Deanna Lewis)
> 33. Re: Grooming questions. (Julie J.)
> 34. Re: Grooming questions. (rhonda cruz)
> 35. Re: Grooming questions. (Jenine Stanley)
> 36. Re: Downtime in class (Sarah)
> 37. Re: Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class (rhonda cruz)
> 38. Re: Counting The Costs (Julie J.)
> 39. Re: Grooming questions. (Sarah)
> 40. Re: Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class (Sarah)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:05:10 -0700
> From: Pauline Berger <sispberger at gmail.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> Hello All,
> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a guide
> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to know
> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For example,
> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure. If
> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it. I am
> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with my
> budget. Thanks again!
>
>
> --
> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
>
> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> .....author unknown
>
> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or the
> other!
> author unknown
>
> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> by Pauline Berger
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:12:50 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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>
> Hello,
> For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> Price depends on that.
> the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play with.
> if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog food
> as an expense.
> Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the
> nails trimmed that don't cost much.
> Hope this helps.
> Original message:
> > Hello All,
> > I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a guide
> > dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> > that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> > myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to know
> > what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For example,
> > food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> If
> > you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it. I
> am
> > on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with my
> > budget. Thanks again!
>
>
> > --
> > When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> > .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
>
> > *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> > *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> > .....author unknown
>
> > Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> > *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or the
> > other!
> > author unknown
>
> > Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> > by Pauline Berger
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:33:02 -0700
> From: Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> Hello Pauline,
> I am a college student paying rent and bills. Therefore, I know what
> you mean about having a fixed income. As for my dog, I end up paying
> about $38 for food which last about a month and a half. She gets
> groomed once every 3 months because I brush her almost every day, so
> she stays clean. Her grooming costs about $45. That includes a bath
> with shampoo and conditioner, getting her nails clipped, and they trim
> her fur if it gets to be too long. Toys last her a long time so I
> would say a new toy once every 5 or 6 months. The specific brand her
> school requires ranges around $13 per toy. Her vet bills are paid for
> since the school she comes from provides veterinary assistance for all
> their dogs. The only vitamins she is required to be on are about $6
> and they come with 300 capsules which will last about 10 months. So if
> you budget your money right, having a dog isn't so bad after all. If
> you have any other questions, feel free to ask me off list. My email
> address is:
> juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com
> Juanita, Anise, and Benson
>
> On 9/17/12, Pauline Berger <sispberger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a guide
> > dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> > that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> > myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to know
> > what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For example,
> > food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> If
> > you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it. I
> am
> > on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with my
> > budget. Thanks again!
> >
> >
> > --
> > When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> > .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >
> > *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> > *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> > .....author unknown
> >
> > Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> > *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or the
> > other!
> > author unknown
> >
> > Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> > by Pauline Berger
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:34:21 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> I would think on average the entire care of a dog would be no more than
> $30 per month, averaging out your vet bill over a twelve month period.
> You'll have flea and heartworm medications to purchaseand sometimes you can
> get dogfood at discounts. Some of the companies provide it to service
> animals cheaper. At SE they give you information on some of that. People in
> a very wide income range are using dogs, so I doubt this is a concern for
> you so much, though I don't know your situation.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:12 PM, d m gina wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> > Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> > toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> > Price depends on that.
> > the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play with.
> > if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> > I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog food
> as an expense.
> > Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the nails
> trimmed that don't cost much.
> > Hope this helps.
> > Original message:
> >> Hello All,
> >> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a
> guide
> >> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> >> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> >> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to
> know
> >> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For
> example,
> >> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> If
> >> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it.
> I am
> >> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with
> my
> >> budget. Thanks again!
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> >> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >
> >> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> >> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> >> .....author unknown
> >
> >> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> >> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or
> the
> >> other!
> >> author unknown
> >
> >> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> >> by Pauline Berger
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
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> >
> > --
> > --Dar
> > skype: dmgina23
> > FB: dmgina
> > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:48:44 -0400
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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>
> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month. However, I
> do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a bag. He eats a
> bag
> every 5 weeks.
>
>
>
> I am feeding him origin regional red.
>
> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
>
> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
>
> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only $15!
>
> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison strips
>
> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
>
>
>
> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
>
>
>
> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:14:29 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the dog
> food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods that are
> commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with that, and
> sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as much or
> more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag of food in
> about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation. Heartworm and flea
> preventive are the most expensive part I think, and you usually get them in
> three to six month packages. Well, don't know about the spray.
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> However, I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a bag.
> He eats a bag every 5 weeks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >
> > I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >
> > Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >
> > I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only $15!
> >
> > For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison strips
> >
> > He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:38:41 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> i get my dog groomed at petco.
> and it works. and also i have my dog eating blue buff low food.
> we also get her toys from petco.
> too.
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:12 PM, d m gina wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> > Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> > toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> > Price depends on that.
> > the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play with.
> > if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> > I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog food
> as an expense.
> > Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the nails
> trimmed that don't cost much.
> > Hope this helps.
> > Original message:
> >> Hello All,
> >> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a
> guide
> >> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> >> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> >> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to
> know
> >> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For
> example,
> >> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> If
> >> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it.
> I am
> >> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with
> my
> >> budget. Thanks again!
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> >> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >
> >> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> >> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> >> .....author unknown
> >
> >> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> >> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or
> the
> >> other!
> >> author unknown
> >
> >> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> >> by Pauline Berger
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
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> >
> > --
> > --Dar
> > skype: dmgina23
> > FB: dmgina
> > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:40:15 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> Message-ID: <A643FAA3-F30D-4119-9F4D-597F892B7291 at gmail.com>
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>
> But what kind of average monthly cost would you say there is, Rhonda. What
> do you pay at Petco to groom.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:38 PM, rhonda cruz wrote:
>
> > i get my dog groomed at petco.
> > and it works. and also i have my dog eating blue buff low food.
> > we also get her toys from petco.
> > too.
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:12 PM, d m gina wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >> For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> >> Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> >> toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> >> Price depends on that.
> >> the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play with.
> >> if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> >> I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog food
> as an expense.
> >> Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the
> nails trimmed that don't cost much.
> >> Hope this helps.
> >> Original message:
> >>> Hello All,
> >>> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a
> guide
> >>> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I know
> >>> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> >>> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to
> know
> >>> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For
> example,
> >>> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> If
> >>> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it.
> I am
> >>> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with
> my
> >>> budget. Thanks again!
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> >>> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >>
> >>> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> >>> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> >>> .....author unknown
> >>
> >>> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> >>> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or
> the
> >>> other!
> >>> author unknown
> >>
> >>> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> >>> by Pauline Berger
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nagdu:
> >>>
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> >>
> >> --
> >> --Dar
> >> skype: dmgina23
> >> FB: dmgina
> >> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> >> every saint has a past
> >> every sinner has a future
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:42:56 -0400
> From: "Tonia" <tonton at insightbb.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying though for a
> dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or may not
> get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training. Thankfully, they
> are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace; since they
> know
> I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband. I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting. I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any during
> class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:43:51 -0700
> From: Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> I personally find Petco to be a bit pricey for me. I try to find the
> cheapest alternatives possible. I buy her toys on Amazon for a very
> reduced price in comparison to Petco, and I also have found a cheaper
> groomer than Petco.
> JMO
> Juanita, Anise, and Benson
>
> On 9/17/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > But what kind of average monthly cost would you say there is, Rhonda.
> What
> > do you pay at Petco to groom.
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:38 PM, rhonda cruz wrote:
> >
> >> i get my dog groomed at petco.
> >> and it works. and also i have my dog eating blue buff low food.
> >> we also get her toys from petco.
> >> too.
> >>
> >> On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:12 PM, d m gina wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> >>> Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> >>> toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> >>> Price depends on that.
> >>> the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play with.
> >>> if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> >>> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> >>> I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog food
> as
> >>> an expense.
> >>> Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the
> nails
> >>> trimmed that don't cost much.
> >>> Hope this helps.
> >>> Original message:
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a
> >>>> guide
> >>>> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I
> know
> >>>> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am preparing
> >>>> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to
> >>>> know
> >>>> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For
> >>>> example,
> >>>> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am sure.
> >>>> If
> >>>> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it.
> I
> >>>> am
> >>>> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility with
> >>>> my
> >>>> budget. Thanks again!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> >>>> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >>>
> >>>> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> >>>> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> >>>> .....author unknown
> >>>
> >>>> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> >>>> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or
> >>>> the
> >>>> other!
> >>>> author unknown
> >>>
> >>>> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE* listener!
> >>>> by Pauline Berger
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --Dar
> >>> skype: dmgina23
> >>> FB: dmgina
> >>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> >>> every saint has a past
> >>> every sinner has a future
> >>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you spend a lot
> of time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> > Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well gotten
> > discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good to know
> > that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying though for a
> dog
> > that is lovable and playful.
> >
> > Tonia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up to you. My
> > first one took some time to get used to me.
> > I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> > I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is kind of
> > distant towards you.
> > The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really be in a
> > position mentally to do much work.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Tonia
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just that. The
> > company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or may not
> get
> > much accessibility testing done while I'm in training. Thankfully, they
> are
> > very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace; since they
> know
> > I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband. I'm
> very
> > blessed in that respect.
> > As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my husband
> > relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do via the
> > eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
> >
> > My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training with my new
> > dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing with and
> > loving on him/her.
> >
> > Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
> >
> > Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
> >
> > Tonia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Hi Tonia.
> > You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your downtime in
> > class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take some
> work,
> > don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple the time
> you
> > think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual training, there
> > were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting. I got my
> > first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I don't
> > remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but I
> > definitely do now.
> > Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's notice. It's
> > easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when you
> finally
> > surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or pulled
> the
> > blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> > I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any during
> class.
> > It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be noticing.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:50:18 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> What does Petco charge?
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Juanita Herrera wrote:
>
> > I personally find Petco to be a bit pricey for me. I try to find the
> > cheapest alternatives possible. I buy her toys on Amazon for a very
> > reduced price in comparison to Petco, and I also have found a cheaper
> > groomer than Petco.
> > JMO
> > Juanita, Anise, and Benson
> >
> > On 9/17/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> But what kind of average monthly cost would you say there is, Rhonda.
> What
> >> do you pay at Petco to groom.
> >>
> >> CL
> >>
> >> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:38 PM, rhonda cruz wrote:
> >>
> >>> i get my dog groomed at petco.
> >>> and it works. and also i have my dog eating blue buff low food.
> >>> we also get her toys from petco.
> >>> too.
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:12 PM, d m gina wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> For one dog, the food can last two months or just a bit longer.
> >>>> Depending on the brand of food the school asks you to use.
> >>>> toys If you get a toy a month, that wouldn't be to bad.
> >>>> Price depends on that.
> >>>> the school once again shares what kinds of toys dogs love to play
> with.
> >>>> if you have a healthy dog and for the most part you will, then there
> >>>> shouldn't be any vet bills all of the time.
> >>>> I don't remember where you live, some states will let you use dog
> food as
> >>>> an expense.
> >>>> Depending how often you walk the dog, you can go places to get the
> nails
> >>>> trimmed that don't cost much.
> >>>> Hope this helps.
> >>>> Original message:
> >>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>> I am looking at all the aspects of how it will affect me if I get a
> >>>>> guide
> >>>>> dog. For the most part I can only see positive changes for me. I
> know
> >>>>> that it will be a very significant lifestyle change and I am
> preparing
> >>>>> myself for that. If you would be willing to share, I would like to
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> what the monthly average cost of maintaining your dog runs. For
> >>>>> example,
> >>>>> food, vet, vitamins, toys, etc. I may be forgetting things I am
> sure.
> >>>>> If
> >>>>> you could help me out with this info, I would really appreciate it.
> I
> >>>>> am
> >>>>> on a fixed income and would like to know if this is a possibility
> with
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> budget. Thanks again!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> When you are at the edge of a cliff........*a step back* is progress!
> >>>>> .....heard at Pacific Coast Camp
> >>>>
> >>>>> *Knowledge* is knowing that a tomato is classified as a fruit....
> >>>>> *Wisdom* is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad!
> >>>>> .....author unknown
> >>>>
> >>>>> Two things in life you should never scrimp on.......
> >>>>> *Mattresses* and *shoes*.......you will spend your lifetime in one or
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> other!
> >>>>> author unknown
> >>>>
> >>>>> Talk to yourself.......you will be guaranteed at least *ONE*
> listener!
> >>>>> by Pauline Berger
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nagdu mailing list
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> >>>> --
> >>>> --Dar
> >>>> skype: dmgina23
> >>>> FB: dmgina
> >>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> >>>> every saint has a past
> >>>> every sinner has a future
> >>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:57:38 -0400
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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>
> Cindy,
>
>
>
> I wish I could use an inexpensive dog food, however, doing so results in my
> dog's waste product being the consistency of mashed potatoes at best, and
> pea soup at worst. Although this food is expensive, my dog appears to be
> healthy, happy, full of energy, and is consistently dropping firm easy to
> pick up, baseball sized nuggets. Because this food has no fillers, if you
> have a smaller dog, perhaps the food could last you longer, because you
> would have to feed a lot less. I feed my dog just shy of 3 cups a day.
>
>
>
> Also, on principle, I don't want to feed my dog a product full of hard to
> digest fillers, and other chemicals. Although it is impossible to avoid all
> fillers and chemicals unless you feed your dog a raw diet organically razed
> on local farms, this is the next best thing I could find without
> sacrificing
> the convenience of a dry food.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
>
>
> > Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the dog
> > food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods that are
> > commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with that, and
> > sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as much or
> > more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag of food in
> > about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation. Heartworm and flea
> > preventive are the most expensive part I think, and you usually get them
> > in three to six month packages. Well, don't know about the spray.
> > CL
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> However,
> >> I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a bag. He eats
> >> a bag every 5 weeks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >>
> >> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >>
> >> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >>
> >> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only
> $15!
> >>
> >> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison strips
> >>
> >> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:02:36 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> Oh, gee, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing. I remember how much
> trouble you were having at first, and that is great that you have found
> something that works. Probably jealous because I don't want to buy that
> expensive of food as long as the dogs seem fine. If they were having health
> problems, I would switch in a heartbeat.
>
> Cindy Lou
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>
> > Cindy,
> >
> >
> >
> > I wish I could use an inexpensive dog food, however, doing so results in
> my dog's waste product being the consistency of mashed potatoes at best,
> and pea soup at worst. Although this food is expensive, my dog appears to
> be healthy, happy, full of energy, and is consistently dropping firm easy
> to pick up, baseball sized nuggets. Because this food has no fillers, if
> you have a smaller dog, perhaps the food could last you longer, because you
> would have to feed a lot less. I feed my dog just shy of 3 cups a day.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, on principle, I don't want to feed my dog a product full of hard
> to digest fillers, and other chemicals. Although it is impossible to avoid
> all fillers and chemicals unless you feed your dog a raw diet organically
> razed on local farms, this is the next best thing I could find without
> sacrificing the convenience of a dry food.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >
> >
> >> Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the dog
> food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods that are
> commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with that, and
> sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as much or
> more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag of food in
> about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation. Heartworm and flea
> preventive are the most expensive part I think, and you usually get them in
> three to six month packages. Well, don't know about the spray.
> >> CL
> >>
> >> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> However, I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a bag.
> He eats a bag every 5 weeks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >>>
> >>> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >>>
> >>> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >>>
> >>> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only
> $15!
> >>>
> >>> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison strips
> >>>
> >>> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:02:50 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first
> guide dog in 9 days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get
> my dog on the sixth dayddHow long should I expect before the ng
> starts warming up to me?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you
> spend a lot of time bonding with them. The first day or two are
> the hardest, I think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well
> gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good
> to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying
> though for a dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up
> to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is
> kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really
> be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just
> that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or
> may not get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> Thankfully, they are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace;
> since they know
> I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband.
> I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my
> husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can
> do via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training
> with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing
> with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your
> downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take
> some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple
> the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual
> training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I
> don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but
> I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's
> notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when
> you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or
> pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any
> during class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be
> noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am a firm
> believer in spending a lot of time in the process of bonding with my dog,
> especially the first few days. If the person who trained you is your
> trainer, they will look to that person for a while, but you will start to
> see a switch over in a few days. When you take that dog home, I think the
> bonding increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
> so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid team, but your
> dog and you will have already begun a strong bonding that will only get
> stronger. I think the key is a lot of attention, especially at first and
> mostly from you, corrections when you have to, and lots of praise when the
> dog does something right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:14:55 -0400
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:16:17 -0400
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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>
> Cindy
>
>
>
> No, I did not think you were criticizing and apologies if my response
> appeared defensive.
>
>
>
> That problem I had at first was awful, and the school certainly did not
> help
> by causing trouble and having the dean's office on my case. By school I
> mean
> my college, not the dog guide school. The dog guide school was wonderful,
> and helped me find a solution for the problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
>
>
> > Oh, gee, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing. I remember how much
> > trouble you were having at first, and that is great that you have found
> > something that works. Probably jealous because I don't want to buy that
> > expensive of food as long as the dogs seem fine. If they were having
> > health problems, I would switch in a heartbeat.
> >
> > Cindy Lou
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >
> >> Cindy,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wish I could use an inexpensive dog food, however, doing so results in
> >> my dog's waste product being the consistency of mashed potatoes at best,
> >> and pea soup at worst. Although this food is expensive, my dog appears
> to
> >> be healthy, happy, full of energy, and is consistently dropping firm
> easy
> >> to pick up, baseball sized nuggets. Because this food has no fillers, if
> >> you have a smaller dog, perhaps the food could last you longer, because
> >> you would have to feed a lot less. I feed my dog just shy of 3 cups a
> >> day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, on principle, I don't want to feed my dog a product full of hard
> to
> >> digest fillers, and other chemicals. Although it is impossible to avoid
> >> all fillers and chemicals unless you feed your dog a raw diet
> organically
> >> razed on local farms, this is the next best thing I could find without
> >> sacrificing the convenience of a dry food.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the dog
> >>> food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods that are
> >>> commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with that, and
> >>> sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as much
> >>> or more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag of food
> >>> in about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation. Heartworm and
> >>> flea preventive are the most expensive part I think, and you usually
> get
> >>> them in three to six month packages. Well, don't know about the spray.
> >>> CL
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> >>>> However, I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a
> >>>> bag. He eats a bag every 5 weeks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >>>>
> >>>> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >>>>
> >>>> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >>>>
> >>>> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only
> >>>> $15!
> >>>>
> >>>> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison
> strips
> >>>>
> >>>> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:17:00 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
> you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am a
> firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of bonding
> with my dog, especially the first few days. If the person who
> trained you is your trainer, they will look to that person for a
> while, but you will start to see a switch over in a few days.
> When you take that dog home, I think the bonding increases
> because now it has left all it knows behind except you, so it
> trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid team, but
> your dog and you will have already begun a strong bonding that
> will only get stronger. I think the key is a lot of attention,
> especially at first and mostly from you, corrections when you
> have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something right and
> well.
>
> CL
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:18:26 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> I have a dog, not my guide, who would prefer not to be groomed. I do
> wonder why that is. My guide loves it; it is a means of getting attention.
> I think you just have to overlook his dirty looks and activity and talk to
> him while you are grooming him.
>
> I hire a mobile groomer right now because I have three dogs here and in
> the end I don't think the price is that much different when you figure in
> transporting them. I am trying to do this every two to three months and
> have them all groomed then. I guess I'm now kind of on a three month
> pattern. I love my mobile groomer. She charges $200 for the three, and I
> don't have to transport them. Maybe I could get bulk rates other places
> though.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Deanna Lewis wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
> >
> > My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> > grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
> >
> > He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I
> am
> > torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> > slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> > pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> > wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> > back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> and
> > if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
> >
> > I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
> >
> > Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
> >
> > Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Deanna and Pascal
> >
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:19:16 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> i'm glad you asked this question Deanna, I am getting my first
> guide dog in 9 days so I would love to know all this stuff in
> advance. I would love to know about everybody's adventures with
> their guides.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:14:55 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I
> get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts
> like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer
> than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a
> strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it
> hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done
> he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he
> behaves well, and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for
> him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:19:29 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> Oh, I remember the things you went through at the time. It was nice
> meeting that dog last summer even if Old Fisher wasn't a gentleman. He did
> simmer down a little anyway.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > No, I did not think you were criticizing and apologies if my response
> appeared defensive.
> >
> >
> >
> > That problem I had at first was awful, and the school certainly did not
> help by causing trouble and having the dean's office on my case. By school
> I mean my college, not the dog guide school. The dog guide school was
> wonderful, and helped me find a solution for the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >
> >
> >> Oh, gee, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing. I remember how much
> trouble you were having at first, and that is great that you have found
> something that works. Probably jealous because I don't want to buy that
> expensive of food as long as the dogs seem fine. If they were having health
> problems, I would switch in a heartbeat.
> >>
> >> Cindy Lou
> >> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cindy,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wish I could use an inexpensive dog food, however, doing so results
> in my dog's waste product being the consistency of mashed potatoes at best,
> and pea soup at worst. Although this food is expensive, my dog appears to
> be healthy, happy, full of energy, and is consistently dropping firm easy
> to pick up, baseball sized nuggets. Because this food has no fillers, if
> you have a smaller dog, perhaps the food could last you longer, because you
> would have to feed a lot less. I feed my dog just shy of 3 cups a day.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also, on principle, I don't want to feed my dog a product full of hard
> to digest fillers, and other chemicals. Although it is impossible to avoid
> all fillers and chemicals unless you feed your dog a raw diet organically
> razed on local farms, this is the next best thing I could find without
> sacrificing the convenience of a dry food.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the
> dog food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods that are
> commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with that, and
> sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as much or
> more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag of food in
> about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation. Heartworm and flea
> preventive are the most expensive part I think, and you usually get them in
> three to six month packages. Well, don't know about the spray.
> >>>> CL
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> However, I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a bag.
> He eats a bag every 5 weeks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only
> $15!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison
> strips
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:21:47 -0400
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> Deanna,
>
> Motley gets groomed at his vet.
>
> He goes in every six to eight weeks.
>
> As for brushing Pascal, try to encourage him to stay, but be firm if he
> isn't listening.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Chantel and Motley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Deanna Lewis
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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>
> I think they can sense your moods. I think they definitely know the
> difference between stressed and calm. I have a lab and golden cross. He is
> six.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> > that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense how you
> are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do you have?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am a firm
> believer in spending a lot of time in the process of bonding with my dog,
> especially the first few days. If the person who trained you is your
> trainer, they will look to that person for a while, but you will start to
> see a switch over in a few days. When you take that dog home, I think the
> bonding increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
> so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid team, but
> your dog and you will have already begun a strong bonding that will only
> get stronger. I think the key is a lot of attention, especially at first
> and mostly from you, corrections when you have to, and lots of praise when
> the dog does something right and well.
> >
> > CL
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:25:40 -0400
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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>
> Deanna,
>
>
>
> My dog doesn't like being brushed either, but he does not have a choice in
> the matter. The blow-dryer at the groomers now that's another story. Last
> time, my dog started trying to snap at the blow-dryer because I was holding
> said blow-dryer; I stopped fearing for the safety of my fingers. I don't
> want to teach my dog that snapping is a good thing or whatnot, but I had no
> choice but to stop. Because the dog nailed the blow dryer just below my
> fingers.
>
>
>
> BTW it is a blow-dryer especially made for dogs. I groomed my dog myself,
> at
> a self-service dog groomers. This way I only pay $15 and I know that my dog
> is treated well, and not fed treats that will make him sick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
> >
> > My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> > grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
> >
> > He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I
> > am
> > torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> > slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> > pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> > wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> > back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> > and
> > if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
> >
> > I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
> >
> > Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
> >
> > Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Deanna and Pascal
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:24:58 -0400
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
> Message-ID: <007901cd952b$a86e0f90$f94a2eb0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Sarah,
> Welcome to the Nagdu List!
> I am Deanna Lewis and I am working my first guide dog, a male black lab
> named Pascal. He is from Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> What school are you going to for your guide dog? Congratulations!
> For me, I started bonding with my dog fairly quickly. The first walk was a
> bit awkward for us both, but after a few days it just seemed normal and
> comfortable.
> I had a fair amount of usable vision back then, so I wanted to really
> develop trust in my dog, and not rely on my fluctuating vision. I found it
> helpful to use sleep shades for a few days in training. I am glad that I
> chose to do this. But, I completely understood when others in my class did
> not. It just worked well for me at the time.
> Wishing you the best in training!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first guide dog in
> 9
> days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get my dog on the sixth
> dayddHow long should I expect before the ng starts warming up to me?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you spend a lot
> of
> time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying though for a
> dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or may not
> get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> Thankfully, they are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace; since they
> know I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband.
> I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any during
> class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:30:25 -0400
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
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> All dogs have off days, and sometimes have an attitude. Also, my dog likes
> to stare a lot and act super dominant. Other dogs don't like this much and
> typically act the same way Fisher did, so I'm used to it.
>
>
>
> The school has been very cooperative in this regard lately; perhaps knowing
> I can't be pushed around gives them some food for thought.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
>
>
> > Oh, I remember the things you went through at the time. It was nice
> > meeting that dog last summer even if Old Fisher wasn't a gentleman. He
> did
> > simmer down a little anyway.
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No, I did not think you were criticizing and apologies if my response
> >> appeared defensive.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That problem I had at first was awful, and the school certainly did not
> >> help by causing trouble and having the dean's office on my case. By
> >> school I mean my college, not the dog guide school. The dog guide school
> >> was wonderful, and helped me find a solution for the problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >>
> >>
> >>> Oh, gee, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing. I remember how much
> >>> trouble you were having at first, and that is great that you have found
> >>> something that works. Probably jealous because I don't want to buy that
> >>> expensive of food as long as the dogs seem fine. If they were having
> >>> health problems, I would switch in a heartbeat.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Lou
> >>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cindy,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wish I could use an inexpensive dog food, however, doing so results
> >>>> in my dog's waste product being the consistency of mashed potatoes at
> >>>> best, and pea soup at worst. Although this food is expensive, my dog
> >>>> appears to be healthy, happy, full of energy, and is consistently
> >>>> dropping firm easy to pick up, baseball sized nuggets. Because this
> >>>> food has no fillers, if you have a smaller dog, perhaps the food could
> >>>> last you longer, because you would have to feed a lot less. I feed my
> >>>> dog just shy of 3 cups a day.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, on principle, I don't want to feed my dog a product full of hard
> >>>> to digest fillers, and other chemicals. Although it is impossible to
> >>>> avoid all fillers and chemicals unless you feed your dog a raw diet
> >>>> organically razed on local farms, this is the next best thing I could
> >>>> find without sacrificing the convenience of a dry food.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Counting The Costs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mark, glad you brought up the size of your dog. And, of course, the
> >>>>> dog food is a huge factor. If you use some of the other dog foods
> that
> >>>>> are commonly used by those of us who feel our dogs are good with
> that,
> >>>>> and sometimes all of the dogs aren't, you are spending about twice as
> >>>>> much or more. I'm feeding three dogs, but we still go through a bag
> of
> >>>>> food in about a month. So, as Mark says, there is a variation.
> >>>>> Heartworm and flea preventive are the most expensive part I think,
> and
> >>>>> you usually get them in three to six month packages. Well, don't know
> >>>>> about the spray.
> >>>>> CL
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps I am insane, however, my dog costs around $150+ a month.
> >>>>>> However, I do feed my dog an organic dog food that runs around $85 a
> >>>>>> bag. He eats a bag every 5 weeks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am feeding him origin regional red.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I give him hart guard for heartworm once a month,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Use a topical flea and tick control spray called buddy spray
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I take him to a do it yourself grooming place once a month cost only
> >>>>>> $15!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For training treats and whatnot I feed him organic dried venison
> >>>>>> strips
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He shreds toys, so I end up getting a new one every month or so.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, you can see how the price can add up quickly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW I have an 80lb shepherd.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:33:47 -0400
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> Sarah,
> I know this question was not directed to me, but... LOL
> Dogs can definitely react to your emotions. They can sense if you are
> nervous in a street crossing, or stressed out.
> When I am not confident in situations, it definitely can pass through to my
> dog.
> As far as the bonding, balance praise and corrections. And make sure you
> play a lot with your dog. Grooming also helps the bonding process. When
> you
> get home, make it clear to those in your household that you are the master
> of this dog, and you should be the one doing obedience, playing, and
> feeding
> the dog. At least for the first few weeks.
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense how you are
> feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am a firm
> believer in spending a lot of time in the process of bonding with my dog,
> especially the first few days. If the person who trained you is your
> trainer, they will look to that person for a while, but you will start to
> see a switch over in a few days.
> When you take that dog home, I think the bonding increases because now it
> has left all it knows behind except you, so it trusts you. You will have
> work to do to become a solid team, but your dog and you will have already
> begun a strong bonding that will only get stronger. I think the key is a
> lot of attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections when
> you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:35:18 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
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> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> Chantel! You have a guide dog now? Congrats!! I'm getting mine in
> 9 days.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:21:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> Deanna,
>
> Motley gets groomed at his vet.
>
> He goes in every six to eight weeks.
>
> As for brushing Pascal, try to encourage him to stay, but be firm
> if he
> isn't listening.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Chantel and Motley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Deanna Lewis
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I
> get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts
> like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer
> than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a
> strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it
> hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done
> he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he
> behaves well, and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for
> him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:39:07 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> I think they can sense your moods. I think they definitely know
> the difference between stressed and calm. I have a lab and
> golden cross. He is six.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
> you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am
> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days. If the
> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
> few days. When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
> so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid
> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
> bonding that will only get stronger. I think the key is a lot of
> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
> right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:39:08 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
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> that's awesome! I can't wait to start training! Your dog sounds
> beautiful! I'm going to Guide Dogs Of the Desert.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:24:58 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> Hi Sarah,
> Welcome to the Nagdu List!
> I am Deanna Lewis and I am working my first guide dog, a male
> black lab
> named Pascal. He is from Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> What school are you going to for your guide dog? Congratulations!
> For me, I started bonding with my dog fairly quickly. The first
> walk was a
> bit awkward for us both, but after a few days it just seemed
> normal and
> comfortable.
> I had a fair amount of usable vision back then, so I wanted to
> really
> develop trust in my dog, and not rely on my fluctuating vision.
> I found it
> helpful to use sleep shades for a few days in training. I am
> glad that I
> chose to do this. But, I completely understood when others in my
> class did
> not. It just worked well for me at the time.
> Wishing you the best in training!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first
> guide dog in 9
> days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get my dog on the
> sixth
> dayddHow long should I expect before the ng starts warming up to
> me?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you
> spend a lot of
> time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I
> think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well
> gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good
> to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying
> though for a dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up
> to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is
> kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really
> be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just
> that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or
> may not get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> Thankfully, they are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace;
> since they
> know I also work full time and have an eBay business with my
> husband.
> I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my
> husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do
> via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training
> with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing
> with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your
> downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take
> some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple
> the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual
> training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I
> don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but
> I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's
> notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when
> you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or
> pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any
> during
> class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be
> noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:46:30 -0400
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
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> Awesome!
> Have a good class!
> I can't wait for updates on your dog. And all of the other new doggies this
> list is acquiring over the next few days!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> that's awesome! I can't wait to start training! Your dog sounds beautiful!
> I'm going to Guide Dogs Of the Desert.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:24:58 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> Hi Sarah,
> Welcome to the Nagdu List!
> I am Deanna Lewis and I am working my first guide dog, a male black lab
> named Pascal. He is from Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> What school are you going to for your guide dog? Congratulations!
> For me, I started bonding with my dog fairly quickly. The first walk was a
> bit awkward for us both, but after a few days it just seemed normal and
> comfortable.
> I had a fair amount of usable vision back then, so I wanted to really
> develop trust in my dog, and not rely on my fluctuating vision.
> I found it
> helpful to use sleep shades for a few days in training. I am glad that I
> chose to do this. But, I completely understood when others in my class did
> not. It just worked well for me at the time.
> Wishing you the best in training!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first guide dog in
> 9
> days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get my dog on the sixth
> dayddHow long should I expect before the ng starts warming up to me?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you spend a lot
> of
> time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying though for a
> dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or may not
> get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> Thankfully, they are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace; since they
> know I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband.
> I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any during
> class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:00:31 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> I do all of my own grooming/bathing. Belle hates it, Monty likes to be
> brushed as in when he sees that I have the brush he will follow me
> around until I brush him. Belle especially hates any brush with metal
> bristles. I abandoned the slicker brush, even the soft one. I use a
> thing very similar to a Zoom groom most often. She tolerates the
> Furminator if I keep the session brief. Lately I've discovered that a
> very cheap fine tooth plastic comb works pretty well. I bought it at
> Wal-Mart or a similar place. There were probably a dozen combs in a bag
> of all sorts of shapes and sizes. It was less than $2.
>
> As for bathing...I used to bathe them a lot more frequently. Now I kind
> of go by smell. When I notice or a family member mentions it, they get
> a bath. Maybe every 2 to 3 months? I couldn't say for sure.
> Julie
>
>
> On 9/17/2012 6:14 PM, Deanna Lewis wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
> >
> > My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> > grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
> >
> > He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I
> am
> > torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> > slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> > pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> > wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> > back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> and
> > if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
> >
> > I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
> >
> > Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
> >
> > Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Deanna and Pascal
> >
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:01:00 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> i get may done at petco. every month.
> and i also groom her at home.
> she loves it.
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>
> > I have a dog, not my guide, who would prefer not to be groomed. I do
> wonder why that is. My guide loves it; it is a means of getting attention.
> I think you just have to overlook his dirty looks and activity and talk to
> him while you are grooming him.
> >
> > I hire a mobile groomer right now because I have three dogs here and in
> the end I don't think the price is that much different when you figure in
> transporting them. I am trying to do this every two to three months and
> have them all groomed then. I guess I'm now kind of on a three month
> pattern. I love my mobile groomer. She charges $200 for the three, and I
> don't have to transport them. Maybe I could get bulk rates other places
> though.
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Deanna Lewis wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
> >>
> >> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> >> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
> >>
> >> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like
> I am
> >> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than
> normal
> >> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> >> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> >> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> >> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves
> well, and
> >> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
> >>
> >> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
> >>
> >> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
> >>
> >> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> Deanna and Pascal
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:02:02 -0400
> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> HI Deanna,
>
>
> My husband's retiring dog, who is about to go back to GDf with him to be
> placed in a retirement home, really isn't much for grooming. He's gotten
> better over these 7.5 years, but he generally doesn't like it. The only
> time
> he really likes grooming is when we use the Zoom Groom brush, the rubber
> one
> with the cones, or a brush I bought a couple years ago called the
> Deshedding
> Tool. It looks like a FURminator but has batteries and vibrates slightly.
>
> This brush is also a favorite of my one cat. She adores being groomed
> anyway, and though not a long haired cat, she has a thick dense coat. This
> brush is available on line at several places, just look for deshedding
> tool.
> It takes 1 double A battery and that battery lasts around a year or so with
> daily brushing.
>
> We bathe the guys here at home most of the time though once in a while they
> will get a professional bath. Honestly, I bathe my dogs maybe 2 to 4 times
> a
> year in this climate but when I lived in Orlando, I bathed my dog every 10
> to 15 days, just to keep the pale and other things off her skin.
>
> We bathe the guys outside with a hose. They hate the hose but it's
> certainly
> efficient.
>
> When I had my Labradoodle, I had to take her to the groomer for trims. She
> adored the groomer, no matter who it was. This happened every six weeks or
> so.
>
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Deanna Lewis
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and acts like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use a strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he behaves well,
> and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable for him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
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> Message: 36
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:03:49 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
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> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
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> Awesome! Thanks!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:33:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Sarah,
> I know this question was not directed to me, but... LOL
> Dogs can definitely react to your emotions. They can sense if
> you are
> nervous in a street crossing, or stressed out.
> When I am not confident in situations, it definitely can pass
> through to my
> dog.
> As far as the bonding, balance praise and corrections. And make
> sure you
> play a lot with your dog. Grooming also helps the bonding
> process. When you
> get home, make it clear to those in your household that you are
> the master
> of this dog, and you should be the one doing obedience, playing,
> and feeding
> the dog. At least for the first few weeks.
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
> how you are
> feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am a
> firm
> believer in spending a lot of time in the process of bonding with
> my dog,
> especially the first few days. If the person who trained you is
> your
> trainer, they will look to that person for a while, but you will
> start to
> see a switch over in a few days.
> When you take that dog home, I think the bonding increases
> because now it
> has left all it knows behind except you, so it trusts you. You
> will have
> work to do to become a solid team, but your dog and you will have
> already
> begun a strong bonding that will only get stronger. I think the
> key is a
> lot of attention, especially at first and mostly from you,
> corrections when
> you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something right
> and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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> Message: 37
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:04:11 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
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> hello sara,
> it is Rhonda and Pilot dog may.
> comgrads about class.
> good luck and be safe.
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> > that's awesome! I can't wait to start training! Your dog sounds
> beautiful! I'm going to Guide Dogs Of the Desert.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:24:58 -0400
> > Subject: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
> >
> > Hi Sarah,
> > Welcome to the Nagdu List!
> > I am Deanna Lewis and I am working my first guide dog, a male black lab
> > named Pascal. He is from Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> > What school are you going to for your guide dog? Congratulations!
> > For me, I started bonding with my dog fairly quickly. The first walk
> was a
> > bit awkward for us both, but after a few days it just seemed normal and
> > comfortable.
> > I had a fair amount of usable vision back then, so I wanted to really
> > develop trust in my dog, and not rely on my fluctuating vision. I found
> it
> > helpful to use sleep shades for a few days in training. I am glad that I
> > chose to do this. But, I completely understood when others in my class
> did
> > not. It just worked well for me at the time.
> > Wishing you the best in training!
> > Deanna and Pascal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Sarah
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:03 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first guide dog
> in 9
> > days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get my dog on the sixth
> > dayddHow long should I expect before the ng starts warming up to me?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you spend a
> lot of
> > time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I think.
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
> >
> > Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well gotten
> > discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good to know
> > that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying though for a
> dog
> > that is lovable and playful.
> >
> > Tonia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up to you.
> My
> > first one took some time to get used to me.
> > I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> > I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is kind of
> > distant towards you.
> > The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really be in a
> > position mentally to do much work.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Tonia
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just that. The
> > company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or may not
> get
> > much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> > Thankfully, they are
> > very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace; since they
> > know I also work full time and have an eBay business with my husband.
> > I'm very
> > blessed in that respect.
> > As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my husband
> > relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do via the
> > eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
> >
> > My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training with my new
> > dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing with and
> > loving on him/her.
> >
> > Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
> >
> > Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
> >
> > Tonia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> >
> > Hi Tonia.
> > You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your downtime in
> > class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take some
> work,
> > don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple the time
> you
> > think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual training, there
> > were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> > I got my
> > first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I don't
> > remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but I
> > definitely do now.
> > Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's notice. It's
> > easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when you
> finally
> > surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or pulled
> the
> > blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> > I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any during
> > class.
> > It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be noticing.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
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> Message: 38
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:11:19 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> Hmmm...that's a tough one. I spend just under $100 for 2 bags of food
> every 7 weeks, which feeds two dogs of close to the same size. I
> probably buy toys once a year or so. I buy from King Wholesale and I
> get enough that I get free shipping. I think last time that was $60,
> but I also get whatever grooming stuff I need and sometimes treats. I
> do all my own grooming, including bathing and nail trimming. I suppose
> shampoo costs me $5 per year. I bought really nice nail trimmers and a
> Pedi Paws several years ago. They were each $20. Monty was just at the
> vet for his yearly routine check up and vaccinations. I think it was
> around $120 or a bit more. That included enough Hartguard for a year.
> I use a cedar based flea/tick stuff that costs maybe $50 for both dogs
> for the entire bug season.
>
> There are other odds and ends costs, pick up bags, extra leash, crate,
> rug, dishes etc. Most of that is a one time cost or inherited from an
> earlier dog. I think if you've never had a dog before the initial start
> up might be a bit more because of purchases you'll make that will last
> for pretty much forever. I think most of the programs provide a lot of
> that stuff though.
>
> So one dog for one month...maybe $75? I'm guessing.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 39
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:14:40 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
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> I have a feeling my new guide will love being groomed!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:01:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grooming questions.
>
> i get may done at petco. every month.
> and i also groom her at home.
> she loves it.
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>
> I have a dog, not my guide, who would prefer not to be groomed.
> I do wonder why that is. My guide loves it; it is a means of
> getting attention. I think you just have to overlook his dirty
> looks and activity and talk to him while you are grooming him.
>
> I hire a mobile groomer right now because I have three dogs here
> and in the end I don't think the price is that much different
> when you figure in transporting them. I am trying to do this
> every two to three months and have them all groomed then. I
> guess I'm now kind of on a three month pattern. I love my mobile
> groomer. She charges $200 for the three, and I don't have to
> transport them. Maybe I could get bulk rates other places
> though.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Deanna Lewis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do any of you have dogs that do not like to be brushed/groomed?
>
> My dog, Pascal has always disliked being brushed. Every time I
> get my
> grooming kit out, he runs and tries to hide.
>
> He will tolerate being brushed, but gives me dirty looks and
> acts like I am
> torturing him. I don't think it hurts him, as I use a softer
> than normal
> slicker brush, and occasionally a Furminator. I also don't use
> a strong
> pressure when I run the brush through. He doesn't act like it
> hurts, or
> wince in pain (which is always good, LOL) As soon as I am done
> he turns
> back into his normal happy self. I give him praise when he
> behaves well, and
> if he is really good, he gets a kibble afterwards as a treat.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on making grooming more enjoyable
> for him?
>
> I also have a question about bathing and professional grooming.
>
> Do you all bathe your dogs at home? If so, how often?
>
> Do you take your dog to get professionally groomed? How often?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Deanna and Pascal
>
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> Message: 40
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:14:38 -0700
> From: Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
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> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
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> How exciting!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:46:30 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> Awesome!
> Have a good class!
> I can't wait for updates on your dog. And all of the other new
> doggies this
> list is acquiring over the next few days!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> that's awesome! I can't wait to start training! Your dog sounds
> beautiful!
> I'm going to Guide Dogs Of the Desert.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis" <deannakay03 at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:24:58 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Welcome Sarah was RE: Downtime in class
>
> Hi Sarah,
> Welcome to the Nagdu List!
> I am Deanna Lewis and I am working my first guide dog, a male
> black lab
> named Pascal. He is from Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> What school are you going to for your guide dog? Congratulations!
> For me, I started bonding with my dog fairly quickly. The first
> walk was a
> bit awkward for us both, but after a few days it just seemed
> normal and
> comfortable.
> I had a fair amount of usable vision back then, so I wanted to
> really
> develop trust in my dog, and not rely on my fluctuating vision.
> I found it
> helpful to use sleep shades for a few days in training. I am
> glad that I
> chose to do this. But, I completely understood when others in my
> class did
> not. It just worked well for me at the time.
> Wishing you the best in training!
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Sarah Meeks. I am geting my first
> guide dog in 9
> days! I leave in 4 days for training but will get my dog on the
> sixth
> dayddHow long should I expect before the ng starts warming up to
> me?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:49:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Most of the dogs tend to warm up to you pretty quickly if you
> spend a lot of
> time bonding with them. The first day or two are the hardest, I
> think.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tonia wrote:
>
> Rebecca, thanks for the warning because I may have very well
> gotten
> discouraged if he/she didn't warm up to me right away. So, good
> to know
> that if it happens, it's normal. I will still keep praying
> though for a dog
> that is lovable and playful.
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Or you may not. It may take awhile for the new dog to warm up
> to you. My
> first one took some time to get used to me.
> I say this because she didn't want me loving all over her.
> I say it this way so you don't get discouraged if your dog is
> kind of
> distant towards you.
> The point that Tracey is trying to make is that you won't really
> be in a
> position mentally to do much work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tonia
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Tracy, thanks for your suggestion. I have actually done just
> that. The
> company is aware of my training dates and realizes that I may or
> may not get
> much accessibility testing done while I'm in training.
> Thankfully, they are
> very understanding and generally let me work at my own pace;
> since they
> know I also work full time and have an eBay business with my
> husband.
> I'm very
> blessed in that respect.
> As for eBay while I'm at school, I'll mainly just be helping my
> husband
> relist items and/or print shipping labels; much of which I can do
> via the
> eBay app on my iPhone. So, that shouldn't be a big deal either.
>
> My number one priority will no doubt be bonding and training
> with my new
> dog. I'm sure I'll be spending most of my down time relaxing
> with and
> loving on him/her.
>
> Only nine days to go. I can't hardly wait!!!
>
> Hope everyone is Having a great weekend,
>
> Tonia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Hi Tonia.
> You mentioned you plan to do some contract work during your
> downtime in
> class. I just want to give you a word of caution. If you take
> some work,
> don't make any promises as to when it will be done, or tripple
> the time you
> think it will take. Even when I wasn't busy with actual
> training, there
> were lectures to study, grooming, play, and just plain resting.
> I got my
> first dog more than 30 years ago, when I was a lot younger. I
> don't
> remember how much I needed to just plain rest my brain then, but
> I
> definitely do now.
> Also, if you bring work, be ready to drop it at a second's
> notice. It's
> easy to get involved with something on the computer, and, when
> you finally
> surface, your new puppy has torn his blanket to little bits, or
> pulled the
> blanket off your bed, or any number of other puppy tricks.
> I like to play computer games, but I don't think I'll play any
> during
> class.
> It's too easy to zone out and miss something I should be
> noticing.
> Tracy
>
>
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