[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Sep 19 00:09:36 UTC 2012 

It may help but they really aren't therapy dogs.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah" <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?


> People tell more that I should have the dog because it will motivate me to 
> get out.  I have to go we've put in a lot of time and the dog has already 
> been trained just for me.  So I have to go.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:22:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah, I think you have a lot bigger worries than that.  Your real 
> concerns need to be that you are able to care for the dog, that you are 
> going to be able to go explore, that you are willing to learn how to go 
> places on your own and then do it, which could mean going gainst your mom. 
> You are an adult now; you need to take on adult responsibilities that 
> include flying from the  nest.  And I would discuss what the family is 
> going to do about the poor laborador's problem.  Your dog will be on leash 
> probably for a couple of weeks after you come home, or for a few days 
> anyway, and gradually released from that depending on how it is adjusting. 
> There will have to be efforts made by everyone to make sure that the dog's 
> messes are cleaned up.  You will be expected to take your dog out on leash 
> to relieve it, especially if you don't have a fenced in yard, but it is 
> good to do that anyway.  Knowing the habits of your dog and how firm the 
> stools are helps you to know how your dog is feeling.  There are lots and 
> lots of concerns.  I am wondering if you should possibly change the date 
> to another time.  I had mentioned it to you off list, but Julie was right. 
> One of the centers for the blind might be even better than an IL Center 
> for you to get the help you need.  I am concerned about the depression 
> etc.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> I've always had big concerns and worries.  I'm very worried not because I 
> don't want to go explore, I can't wait to do that there is so many slaces 
> here to explore we have a zoo within walking distance.  Ikm worried 
> because we have a handicaped Labrador who can't get around very well due 
> to a tumor in her spinal cord and partial paralysis.  She can't control 
> her bowel movements so she goes in the house and I'm concerned for my 
> guide dog coming into a house where a dog poops and urinates.  I know she 
> can't help it, but I'm worried.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vanessa Lowery" <vlowery at dhr.state.md.us
> To: "the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:27:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Yes, getting a dog is not only hard work in class, but is equally hard 
> work when at home.  A person deciding to get a guide dog needs to get it 
> because he/she wants to, not because family is pushing you to do so. 
> Granted, as you self-reported, you talked about getting a guide dog since 
> young childhood, but what is your current take on getting a guide dog. 
> Are you doing so for you or to satisfay the family?
>
> No one is discouraging you from getting a guide dog, Sarah, and being 
> located in a rural living arrangement is not insurmountable wht a guide 
> dog.  But you would ahve to take the initiative to find ways to go places 
> where the dog could be worked.  One person I know lives wiht her husband 
> in a rural setting, but she is able to take walks in the neighborhood wiht 
> her dog.  Additionally, the dog gets some work where my friend is 
> employed, and she and her husband go into town so the dog can get work in 
> stores.  They also visit flea markets where the dog gets work.  In your 
> case, you may need to explore if you can do some walking in your immediate 
> area.  And you need to explore if there is a transportation resource you 
> can use to get you into town.  I have concerns that your family thinks 
> that a guide dog is a well-trained pet.  If that is their perception, I 
> have some real concerns.
>
>
>
> Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
> Adult and Community Services Division
> Adult Services Screening Unit
> 410-853-3550
> VLowery at dhr.state.md.us
>
>
> Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> 9/18/2012 2:12 PM
> If you are getting the dog for the family, then you should really change 
> your mind, I think, and get a pet.  Is there any possibility of your 
> moving? Hou said you were in an independenbt living program for six 
> months, but now you aren't.  You are twenty; the world is your future, but 
> you have to help make it happen.  Fear holds us back so we have to just 
> push through it, getting the help we need along the way.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a guide dog 
> because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that I'm 20, I 
> just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like I used to.  I 
> kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live so far away from 
> Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this desert lots of times and 
> we only go shopping once a week.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Hi Sarah.
> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>
> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my future--not soon,
> but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after I retire,
> I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around town--the
> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every day.  I
> hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, preferably every
> day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and every one of
> them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my current dog,
> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off a week
> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him for any
> length of time.
> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, but it does
> concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no desire to 
> go
> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone to cabin
> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>
> Tracy
>
> Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go anywhere.
> I just fel too tired
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
> wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
> getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>
> Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
> dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
> room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
> cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure path
> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
> leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
> though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others are
> being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot of
> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
> know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
> golden cross.  He is six.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
> you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
> few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
> so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
> bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot of
> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
> right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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