[nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Andrew Edgcumbe
andrewjedg at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 01:36:38 UTC 2012
the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and things
at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a center
here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back biting
and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took hold of
me and pulled me down the stairs and things.
I to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and things it
would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular school
system.
so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.
On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
> preschoolers. All they talked about was sex and I got touched
> and forced to suck you-know-what. It was hoorible because most
> of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
> did was drink when class was done. And when we went to the beach
> and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to go
> ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier. And at
> the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
> all day. The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
> especially on a roller coaster.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened. It might
> help, and I'd be glad to listen. Do you mean at the IL Center?
> Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
> that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
> be more fun with a guide dog. I hated the first experience
> because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
> because it was bad.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah, why do you have to stay there. And earlier, you said you
> thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
> you won't go away from home again for training. You aren't
> making too much sense.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
> aren't very many blind people up here. Besides amusement parks
> are my passion.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah, I hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
> You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
> setting your sights very high. The attitude you have about
> bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
> bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear. I get that, but
> as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear. I am
> sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
> experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
> for it.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> i'm never doing it again. I'd rather do a solo skydive than
> ever considering any more independent training centers. Besides
> I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't get
> to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience. Please know that
> not all
> training centers are like that. If you want to give it another
> try,
> there are lots of people who can assist you. I'm sure people on
> this
> list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
> training. It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or
> wanting
> to take that step yet. When you are ready all you have to do is
> ask and
> there will be support for you.
>
> Julie
> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
> independent
> living program. I got mobility training but still have no
> confidence
> when traveling with a cane. I was down in Los Angeles for 6
> months.
> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did
> was
> make me more afraid.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah,
>
> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
> some
> blindness skills? It would give you the opportunity to live on
> your
> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you
> lots of
> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
> experiences. There is always time to get a dog later, or some
> residential programs will work the dog in.
>
> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
> never be
> able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
> rights,
> match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
>
> All my best to you,
> Julie
>
>
> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
> guide
> dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7. But now
> that
> I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
> go like
> I used to. I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
> live
> so far away from Magic Mountain. I've been everywhere up in
> this
> desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Hi Sarah.
> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>
> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
> future--not soon,
> but not impossibly far off, either. But I think that even after
> I
> retire,
> I'll have places to go. I'll still have the usual trips around
> town--the
> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
> day. I
> hope to do a bit of travelling. And to get out and walk,
> preferably
> every
> day, just to keep myself fit. I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
> every
> one of
> them has done best when they've gotten regular work. Ben, my
> current
> dog,
> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
> a week
> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
> for any
> length of time.
> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
> but it does
> concern me a bit. If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
> desire
> to go
> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet. But, being somewhat prone
> to cabin
> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>
> Tracy
>
> Dang it now I'm worried. I really have no desire to go
> anywhere.
> I just fel too tired
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> No, I don't do that. I should, but because I am currently not
> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit. I kind of
> wish I did, and maybe I'll start. That's probably one of the
> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one. I don't think he's
> getting a fair shake. I hope I don't change my mind.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>
> Cool thanks. How often do you walk your dog? Do
> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Ah, you'll be fine. It is always exciting before you go for the
> dog. I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> His name is Fisher. Let's see. I think they brought him to my
> room. We walked around the room a lot. He sniffed me and we
> cuddled. At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
> path
> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
> leash. Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
> though I went slow with this. Some dogs, when you first get
> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
> are
> being given dogs by the same instructor. Some are restless the
> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
> of
> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> I think they can sense your moods. I think they definitely
> know the difference between stressed and calm. I have a lab and
> golden cross. He is six.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
> you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am
> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days. If the
> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
> few days. When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
> you,
> so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid
> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
> bonding that will only get stronger. I think the key is a lot
> of
> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
> right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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