[nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Larry D. Keeler
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Wed Sep 19 02:28:24 UTC 2012
To bad you didn't know me! I was a wrestler and didn't stand for that kind
of behavior from one of my fellow wrestlers! They paid for those
shenanigans!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and things
> at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a center
> here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back biting
> and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took hold of
> me and pulled me down the stairs and things.
>
> I to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and things it
> would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular school
> system.
> so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.
>
> On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
>> preschoolers. All they talked about was sex and I got touched
>> and forced to suck you-know-what. It was hoorible because most
>> of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
>> did was drink when class was done. And when we went to the beach
>> and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to go
>> ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier. And at
>> the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
>> all day. The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
>> especially on a roller coaster.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened. It might
>> help, and I'd be glad to listen. Do you mean at the IL Center?
>> Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
>> that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
>> be more fun with a guide dog. I hated the first experience
>> because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
>> because it was bad.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> Sarah, why do you have to stay there. And earlier, you said you
>> thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
>> you won't go away from home again for training. You aren't
>> making too much sense.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
>> aren't very many blind people up here. Besides amusement parks
>> are my passion.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> Sarah, I hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
>> You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
>> setting your sights very high. The attitude you have about
>> bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
>> bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear. I get that, but
>> as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear. I am
>> sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
>> experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
>> for it.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> i'm never doing it again. I'd rather do a solo skydive than
>> ever considering any more independent training centers. Besides
>> I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't get
>> to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience. Please know that
>> not all
>> training centers are like that. If you want to give it another
>> try,
>> there are lots of people who can assist you. I'm sure people on
>> this
>> list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
>> training. It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or
>> wanting
>> to take that step yet. When you are ready all you have to do is
>> ask and
>> there will be support for you.
>>
>> Julie
>> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
>> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
>> independent
>> living program. I got mobility training but still have no
>> confidence
>> when traveling with a cane. I was down in Los Angeles for 6
>> months.
>> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did
>> was
>> make me more afraid.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
>> some
>> blindness skills? It would give you the opportunity to live on
>> your
>> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you
>> lots of
>> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
>> experiences. There is always time to get a dog later, or some
>> residential programs will work the dog in.
>>
>> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
>> never be
>> able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
>> rights,
>> match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
>>
>> All my best to you,
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
>> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
>> guide
>> dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7. But now
>> that
>> I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
>> go like
>> I used to. I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
>> live
>> so far away from Magic Mountain. I've been everywhere up in
>> this
>> desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
>> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>> Hi Sarah.
>> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>>
>> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
>> future--not soon,
>> but not impossibly far off, either. But I think that even after
>> I
>> retire,
>> I'll have places to go. I'll still have the usual trips around
>> town--the
>> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
>> day. I
>> hope to do a bit of travelling. And to get out and walk,
>> preferably
>> every
>> day, just to keep myself fit. I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
>> every
>> one of
>> them has done best when they've gotten regular work. Ben, my
>> current
>> dog,
>> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
>> a week
>> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
>> for any
>> length of time.
>> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
>> but it does
>> concern me a bit. If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
>> desire
>> to go
>> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet. But, being somewhat prone
>> to cabin
>> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> Dang it now I'm worried. I really have no desire to go
>> anywhere.
>> I just fel too tired
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>
>> No, I don't do that. I should, but because I am currently not
>> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit. I kind of
>> wish I did, and maybe I'll start. That's probably one of the
>> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one. I don't think he's
>> getting a fair shake. I hope I don't change my mind.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> Cool thanks. How often do you walk your dog? Do
>> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>
>> Ah, you'll be fine. It is always exciting before you go for the
>> dog. I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>
>> His name is Fisher. Let's see. I think they brought him to my
>> room. We walked around the room a lot. He sniffed me and we
>> cuddled. At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
>> path
>> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
>> leash. Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
>> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
>> though I went slow with this. Some dogs, when you first get
>> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
>> are
>> being given dogs by the same instructor. Some are restless the
>> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
>> of
>> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>
>> I think they can sense your moods. I think they definitely
>> know the difference between stressed and calm. I have a lab and
>> golden cross. He is six.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
>> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
>> you have?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>
>> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am
>> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
>> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days. If the
>> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
>> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
>> few days. When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
>> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
>> you,
>> so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid
>> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
>> bonding that will only get stronger. I think the key is a lot
>> of
>> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
>> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
>> right and well.
>>
>> CL
>>
>>
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