[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Wed Sep 19 03:10:45 UTC 2012

hey Andrew if I would've been there I could've fought the 
wrestler dude.  I wanted to punch my brother-in-law in the face 
the other day but I didn't want to do it in front of the baby.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D.  Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:28:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

To bad you didn't know me!  I was a wrestler and didn't stand for 
that kind
of behavior from one of my fellow wrestlers!  They paid for those
shenanigans!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and 
things
 at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a 
center
 here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back 
biting
 and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took 
hold of
 me and pulled me down the stairs and things.

 I  to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and 
things it
 would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular 
school
 system.
 so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.

 On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
 preschoolers.  All they talked about was sex and I got touched
 and forced to suck you-know-what.  It was hoorible because most
 of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
 did was drink when class was done.  And when we went to the 
beach
 and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to 
go
 ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier.  And at
 the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
 all day.  The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
 especially on a roller coaster.

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened.  It might
 help, and I'd be glad to listen.  Do you mean at the IL Center?
 Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
 that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.

 Cindy

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:

  I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
 be more fun with a guide dog.  I hated the first experience
 because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
 because it was bad.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

  Sarah, why do you have to stay there.  And earlier, you said 
you
 thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
 you won't go away from home again for training.  You aren't
 making too much sense.

  Cindy

  On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

  Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
 aren't very many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks
 are my passion.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

  Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
 You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
 setting your sights very high.  The attitude you have about
 bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
 bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear.  I get that, but
 as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear.  I am
 sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
 experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
 for it.

  CL

  On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:

  i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than
 ever considering any more independent training centers.  Besides
 I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't 
get
 to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

  I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that
 not all
  training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another
 try,
  there are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people 
on
 this
  list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
  training.  It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready 
or
 wanting
  to take that step yet.  When you are ready all you have to do 
is
 ask and
  there will be support for you.

  Julie
  On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
  i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
 independent
  living program.  I got mobility training but still have no
 confidence
  when traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6
 months.
  I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it 
did
 was
  make me more afraid.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users"
  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

  Sarah,

  Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
 some
  blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live 
on
 your
  own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give 
you
 lots of
  options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
  experiences.  There is always time to get a dog later, or some
  residential programs will work the dog in.

  A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
 never be
  able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
 rights,
  match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.

  All my best to you,
  Julie

  On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
  I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
 guide
  dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now
 that
  I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
 go like
  I used to.  I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
 live
  so far away from Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in
 this
  desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users"
  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
  Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

  Hi Sarah.
  I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to 
go?

  I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
 future--not soon,
  but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even 
after
 I
  retire,
  I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around
 town--the
  grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be 
every
 day.  I
  hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk,
 preferably
  every
  day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
 every
  one of
  them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my
 current
  dog,
  doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
 a week
  with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work 
him
 for any
  length of time.
  I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
 but it does
  concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
 desire
  to go
  anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone
 to cabin
  fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.

  Tracy

  Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go
 anywhere.
  I just fel too tired

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
  Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
  going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind 
of
  wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
  reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think 
he's
  getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.

  CL

  On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:

  Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
  you walk 3-5 miles every day?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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  Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for 
the
  dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.

  Cindy

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:

  That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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  Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
  room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
  cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
 path
  with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with 
the
  leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
  He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
  though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
  them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
 are
  being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
  first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
 of
  trouble with that with any of the dogs.

  CL

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

  What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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  Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
  know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab 
and
  golden cross.  He is six.

  CL

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:

  that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
  how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog 
do
  you have?

  ----- Original Message -----
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  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
  a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
  bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
  person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
  person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in 
a
  few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
  increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
 you,
  so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
  team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
  bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot
 of
  attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
  when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does 
something
  right and well.

  CL

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