[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Wed Sep 19 03:10:51 UTC 2012

I sure wish I could've gone with the dog instead of before.  The 
dog wc've had so much fun there!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:41:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Sarah,
Most people go to a training center before they get a dog.  That 
way, they
can get as much out of the program as possible without worrying 
about other
responsibilities.  I believe that the training programs want 
their studednts
to focus on their classes and practice what they've learned 
during the free
time that students get.

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

I was going to go back to where I went before because it would be 
more fun
with a guide dog.  I hated the first experience because I had 
stuff happen
that I will not talk about on here because it was bad.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Sarah, why do you have to stay there.  And earlier, you said you 
thought to
go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say you won't go 
away from
home again for training.  You aren't making too much sense.

Cindy

On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

 Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there 
aren't very
many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks are my 
passion.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't 
setting
your sights very high.  The attitude you have about bettering 
yourself is so
limited, that I fear you might be in a bit of a rut, and it is 
really driven
by fear.  I get that, but as I have said before, you have to slog 
through t
he fear.  I am sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of 
really
rich experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just 
go for it.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:

 i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than 
ever
considering any more independent training centers.  Besides I 
hate being
away from home and at training centers you don't get to have any 
fun there's
no amusement park trips.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that 
not all
training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another 
try,  there
are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on this  
list would
be happy to share their experiences with residential  training.  
It's not
going to work though, if you aren't ready or wanting  to take 
that step yet.
When you are ready all you have to do is ask and  there will be 
support for
you.

 Julie
 On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
 i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an 
independent
living program.  I got mobility training but still have no 
confidence  when
traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6 months.
 I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did 
was  make
me more afraid.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
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 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah,

 Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn 
some
 blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on
your
 own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you 
lots of
options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new  
experiences.
There is always time to get a dog later, or some  residential 
programs will
work the dog in.

 A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will 
never be  able
to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your rights,  
match
your clothes or punch the time clock for you.

 All my best to you,
 Julie

 On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
 I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a 
guide  dog
because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that  
I'm 20, I
just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like  I 
used to.  I
kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live  so far 
away from
Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this  desert lots of 
times and
we only go shopping once a week.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
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 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
 Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Hi Sarah.
 I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?

 I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my 
future--not soon,
but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after 
I  retire,
I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around 
town--the
grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every 
day.  I
hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, 
preferably  every
day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and 
every  one of
them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my 
current  dog,
doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off a 
week  with
no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him for 
any  length
of time.
 I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, 
but it does
concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no 
desire  to go
anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone 
to cabin
fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.

 Tracy

 Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go 
anywhere.
 I just fel too tired

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not  
going much
of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of  wish I 
did, and maybe
I'll start.  That's probably one of the  reasons I won't get any 
dogs after
this one.  I don't think he's  getting a fair shake.  I hope I 
don't change
my mind.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:

 Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do  you walk 3-5 
miles every
day?
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the  
dog.  I
think you are going to have a fine time of it.

 Cindy

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:

 That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my  
room.  We
walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we  cuddled.  At 
our
school, they had us go out on their leisure path  with the 
harness and an
instructor attched to him, too, with the  leash.  Then later we 
took them
out to relieve and have dinner.
 He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,  
though I
went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get  them, whine 
a lot
because they hear familiar voices as others are  being given dogs 
by the
same instructor.  Some are restless the  first night or so when 
they are
with you; I've never had a lot of  trouble with that with any of 
the dogs.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

 What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely  
know the
difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and  golden 
cross.  He
is six.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:

 that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense  
how you are
feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do  you have?

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
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 \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am  
a firm
believer in spending a lot of time in the process of  bonding 
with my dog,
especially the first few days.  If the  person who trained you is 
your
trainer, they will look to that  person for a while, but you will 
start to
see a switch over in a  few days.  When you take that dog home, I 
think the
bonding  increases because now it has left all it knows behind 
except you,
so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid  
team, but
your dog and you will have already begun a strong  bonding that 
will only
get stronger.  I think the key is a lot of  attention, especially 
at first
and mostly from you, corrections  when you have to, and lots of 
praise when
the dog does something  right and well.

 CL

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