[nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Sarah
coastergirl92 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 24 23:14:08 UTC 2012
Yes I mean Autism as in Autism or Asperger's. I do suffer can
depression, I just have no interest to go anywhere besides
amusement parks because noever is very exciting like Magic
Mountain. I went to the junior Foundation for the Blind in West
Los Angeles.
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From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Are you meaning autism - a u t i s m? Sorry, I've been trying to
catch up
on my over 700 e-mails - been busy!
Sara, I see you are new to the list and are struggling about
getting a dog.
If you are healthy and a normal 20 year old, I can't fathom the
idea that
you are tired all the time and don't like to go anywhere except
for
amusement parks. I wonder if you have a health problem or
depression -
which can be treated so you can be a normal 20 year old!
I am Lyn and am on my 8th guide dog - Landon from Seeing Eye.
Landon is a
Lab/Golden retriever cross and he will be seven this fall. I am
61 years
old and am quite active in my community. Landon and I do pet
assisted
therapy at our local Humane Society, volunteer at our blind
center, and my
Democratic Party club.
When I was 20, I was an active young person going to college in
Boston,
walking everywhere - even after my vision deteriorated enough for
a white
cane and then my first guide dog. Yes, it is hard when you live
where
there's no public transit as I had when I was growing up. Going
away to
college was the BEST thing I ever did for myself because I had to
learn how
to be more independent and how to travel by myself.
If you are not ready for a dog, you can always cancel. The dog
trained for
you will just be placed with another student who has similar
needs as yours.
Guide Dogs of the Desert trains students with other disabilities
and the dog
can go to another person very easily. It isn't like a
custom-made leg brace
that can't go to another person.
Did you go to OCB - can't think of off hand what other training
centers are
in LA. I think OCB is more near San Fransisco. Personally, I've
heard the
best reviews about the NFB training centers and know that their
mobility
training can't be beat. I haven't been to them but know people
who have and
they did very well there. But please, please, go somewhere for
training and
you may have to move to a city where there is public transit in
order to
live your life - you're just beginning your life! I wish you
well.
Lyn and Landon
"Education creates tolerance towards diversity."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com
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Don't understand what acthism is.
CL
On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Sarah wrote:
i have some Achtism so if they ask questions about my dog I will
answer
them but I can easily get people to talk about roller coasters.
----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:08:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Only you can decide if you are motivated enough to get out.
People are
not afraid of your cane; people don't know how to interact with
you
because you are blind. I once told my ex-husband that I thought
people
wouldn't think I was normal if I had a dog. He asked if I
thought they
did when I was using a cane; I had to concede that he had made a
good
point. People like dogs, so they will talk to your dog, want to
pet it,
and even ask questions about it. Sometimes if you are skillful,
you may
get them to interact with you about other things, but not
necessarily.
Of course, I have always had a problem with this myself, some
people like
it.
Cindy
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sarah wrote:
People tell more that I should have the dog because it will
motivate me
to get out. I have to go we've put in a lot of time and the dog
has
already been trained just for me. So I have to go.
----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:22:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Sarah, I think you have a lot bigger worries than that. Your
real
concerns need to be that you are able to care for the dog, that
you are
going to be able to go explore, that you are willing to learn
how to go
places on your own and then do it, which could mean going gainst
your
mom. You are an adult now; you need to take on adult
responsibilities
that include flying from the nest. And I would discuss what
the family
is going to do about the poor laborador's problem. Your dog
will be on
leash probably for a couple of weeks after you come home, or for
a few
days anyway, and gradually released from that depending on how
it is
adjusting. There will have to be efforts made by everyone to
make sure
that the dog's messes are cleaned up. You will be expected to
take your
dog out on leash to relieve it, especially if you don't have a
fenced in
yard, but it is good to do that anyway. Knowing the habits of
your dog
and how firm the stools are helps you to know how your dog is
feeling.
There are lots and lots of concerns. I am wondering if you
should
possibly change the date to another time. I had mentioned it to
you off
list, but Julie was right. One of the centers for the blind
might be
even better than an IL Center for you to get the help you need.
I am
concerned about the depression etc.
CL
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Sarah wrote:
I've always had big concerns and worries. I'm very worried not
because I
don't want to go explore, I can't wait to do that there is so
many slaces
here to explore we have a zoo within walking distance. Ikm
worried
because we have a handicaped Labrador who can't get around very
well due
to a tumor in her spinal cord and partial paralysis. She can't
control
her bowel movements so she goes in the house and I'm concerned
for my
guide dog coming into a house where a dog poops and urinates. I
know she
can't help it, but I'm worried.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vanessa Lowery" <vlowery at dhr.state.md.us
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:27:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Yes, getting a dog is not only hard work in class, but is
equally hard
work when at home. A person deciding to get a guide dog needs
to get it
because he/she wants to, not because family is pushing you to do
so.
Granted, as you self-reported, you talked about getting a guide
dog since
young childhood, but what is your current take on getting a
guide dog.
Are you doing so for you or to satisfay the family?
No one is discouraging you from getting a guide dog, Sarah, and
being
located in a rural living arrangement is not insurmountable wht
a guide
dog. But you would ahve to take the initiative to find ways to
go places
where the dog could be worked. One person I know lives wiht her
husband
in a rural setting, but she is able to take walks in the
neighborhood
wiht her dog. Additionally, the dog gets some work where my
friend is
employed, and she and her husband go into town so the dog can
get work in
stores. They also visit flea markets where the dog gets work.
In your
case, you may need to explore if you can do some walking in your
immediate area. And you need to explore if there is a
transportation
resource you can use to get you into town. I have concerns that
your
family thinks that a guide dog is a well-trained pet. If that
is their
perception, I have some real concerns.
Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
Adult and Community Services Division
Adult Services Screening Unit
410-853-3550
VLowery at dhr.state.md.us
Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> 9/18/2012 2:12 PM
If you are getting the dog for the family, then you should
really change
your mind, I think, and get a pet. Is there any possibility of
your
moving? Hou said you were in an independenbt living program for
six
months, but now you aren't. You are twenty; the world is your
future,
but you have to help make it happen. Fear holds us back so we
have to
just push through it, getting the help we need along the way.
CL
On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
guide dog
because I've been talking about it since I was 7. But now that
I'm 20, I
just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like I
used to.
I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live so far
away from
Magic Mountain. I've been everywhere up in this desert lots of
times and
we only go shopping once a week.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
Hi Sarah.
I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
future--not soon,
but not impossibly far off, either. But I think that even after
I
retire,
I'll have places to go. I'll still have the usual trips around
town--the
grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
day. I
hope to do a bit of travelling. And to get out and walk,
preferably
every
day, just to keep myself fit. I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
every one
of
them has done best when they've gotten regular work. Ben, my
current
dog,
doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
a week
with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
for any
length of time.
I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
but it does
concern me a bit. If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
desire to
go
anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet. But, being somewhat prone
to cabin
fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
Tracy
Dang it now I'm worried. I really have no desire to go
anywhere.
I just fel too tired
----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
No, I don't do that. I should, but because I am currently not
going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit. I kind of
wish I did, and maybe I'll start. That's probably one of the
reasons I won't get any dogs after this one. I don't think he's
getting a fair shake. I hope I don't change my mind.
CL
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
Cool thanks. How often do you walk your dog? Do
you walk 3-5 miles every day?
----- Original Message -----
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Ah, you'll be fine. It is always exciting before you go for the
dog. I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
Cindy
On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
His name is Fisher. Let's see. I think they brought him to my
room. We walked around the room a lot. He sniffed me and we
cuddled. At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
path
with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
leash. Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
though I went slow with this. Some dogs, when you first get
them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
are
being given dogs by the same instructor. Some are restless the
first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
of
trouble with that with any of the dogs.
CL
On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
----- Original Message -----
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I think they can sense your moods. I think they definitely
know the difference between stressed and calm. I have a lab and
golden cross. He is six.
CL
On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog. Can dogs sense
how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
you have?
----- Original Message -----
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\Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy. You know, it depends on the dog. I am
a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
bonding with my dog, especially the first few days. If the
person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
few days. When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
you,
so it trusts you. You will have work to do to become a solid
team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
bonding that will only get stronger. I think the key is a lot
of
attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
right and well.
CL
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