[nagdu] Mistakes?

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Sun Apr 7 19:37:06 UTC 2013


Hey Margo, didn't you know that us idiot blinks just hang on for the ride 
and the dogs do all the work? (sarcastic as hell)  Yeah, how about all those 
idiots on the bus who claim to be "guide dog trainers" when what comes out 
of their moouths indicates the opposite.  I just ignore them and do what I 
know is the correct things to do with my dog.

Hope all is well with you and Arrow.  I remember how much Arrow wanted to 
play with Landon when you came to San diego a few years ago.  I go to that 
blind center for a craft class on Fridays so I don't get to see Evelyn, 
Kevin, or the others who work there during the regular classes there.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mistakes?


> Well, I think the best thing would be for folks who are not qualified to
> determine if our dogs are doing the right things or not should mind their
> business, but they won't.
>
> It's amazing the picture people have devised in their minds about the 
> things
> our dogs do or can do.  They give us no credit for forming half of the
> working team.
>
> Having said all that, I treasure and value the few souls who wish to truly
> learn from us what we do, what our dogs do, and treat the working team 
> with
> respect and dignity.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:20 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mistakes?
>
> I sure get that!  Folks don't really understand that dogs are intelligent
> tools.  They show us things they think we need to know and at least for 
> me,
> I usually pay attention so that if I come back that way again, I can keep
> what Holly showed in mind. Also, it seems that people just don't get that
> our dogs job is primarily to keep us from bumping into stuff!  Not to tell
> us where to go or when the light changes or for that matter to protect us!
> But, to not have us bump, fall or stepin or on stuff! I always hear folks
> saying that I'm leading Holly or that holly isn't doing her job because I
> end up at a door near where I want to go! Well, some of that isn't her 
> job!
> I sometimes do look like I'm sort of leading her! Giving her directions,
> listening for trafic patterns and looking for the right door to open. But, 
> I
> sure don't bump into much or go flying down the stairs! We even stop for
> slick ice or sometimes for leaves on the sidwalk!  And, in the winter more
> snow drifts than I can count! But, that's her job and she does that well!
> And in cramped situations, it is harder to not bump into stuff and the 
> dogs
> become much more hesitant which they should!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mistakes?
>
>
>> Sure, there were two things.  First I was seated at the head table,
>> which was near a wall and there were flag poles or planters in the
>> space as well. So when I tried to move out of that space Monty refused
>> because it was too narrow.  The people scooted their chairs in and
>> then proceeded to tell me I could get through.  I could, but Monty and
>> I still could not fit through together.  So he refused again.
>> Everyone thought he was being dense, but I knew from his body language
> that he was indicating to walk
>> single file.   We got that sorted out.
>>
>> Then I walked between another set of tables and another wall, but with
>> more space this time.  However there was no way to go around these
>> tables since the far end went all the way to a third wall.  I'm not
>> explaining the layout well.  Anyway it was a dead end.  Monty stopped
>> to show me an exit door instead of moving all the way into the dead
>> end.  After all it would be the obvious choice and I had not
>> specifically asked him to find anything.  He often shows me things he
> thinks I might want to know or
>> suggests ways he thinks look like possible routes.   Again everyone
>> thought he was making a mistake because I had told him forward.  It
>> was really irritating.
>>
>> At the time I didn't know where I was going was a dead end, but after
>> Monty suggested the door, I strongly suspected.  Later I asked my
>> husband who happened to be at this dinner with me, about the
>> particulars of the layout of the room.  I feel like if I had more time
>> I could have explained why Monty did what he did in these situations
>> so they would have understood, but there just wasn't time.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
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