[nagdu] teaching the public

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Mon Apr 8 01:56:56 UTC 2013


 hi all, i normaly, get help. when i need it. but i will teach others.
 about guide dogs.
 and how to act around a team.
 but it just depends.
 if i am in a hurry.
 but my dog does well. on buses.
 she stays on task.



On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:47 AM, d m gina wrote:

> yesterday was entertaining for me.
> When we got to the buss door I put my hand on the door where he went on the wrong side of the door.
> I shared with him it would be better to go up the steps.
> People were laughing that he did this, saying he sure doesn't know much.
> My reply was,
> he wanted to look at you threw the window.
> When mass was over, we started walking behind my brother in law, then he decided that he wanted to go out a different door.
> A gentleman came up to me saying, did you want to go out the side door?
> I said sure yes thanks,
> My brother in law shared with me that I didn't have a good dog because he didn't follow me.
> he usually does so he didn't pay attention to seee what the dog was doing.
> We both said, My dog has his own ideas.
> Only he knows what they are.
> When we go to mass during the week, we go threw the front door.
> So I didn't feel it was necessary to correct, when he wanted to go out the front.
> Gee why don't we say that to folks who have children, how bad they are because they don't behave in a crowd.
> Now I don't believe this, where it is frustrating when I know I do have a swell dog.
> Let me decide if my dog is good or bad, no one else needs to do this for me.
> Original message:
>> I am actually trying to ignore people talking to my dog. It is so annoying that they do it anyway, but mostly I don't know that it distracts him that much; if I think it is distracting him, I give him a verbal reprimand to make sure he is on task; then when we have successfully completed our task, I praise him for it.
> 
>> CL
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:31 PM, d m gina wrote:
> 
>>> Hello,
>>> As I was getting off the buss the new driver was talking to the dog.
>>> I don't know when I will see this driver again, I know he will drive the buss every third week of the month.
>>> I thought then I could ask for him to let the dog concentrate getting me off the buss.
>>> How do you folks handle this.
>>> I don't want the dog excited while I am trying to find the first step to step down three steps to the driveway.
>>> I call my dog buddy then folks won't know his name.
>>> Original message:
>>>> I find that the adults are the ones who need to be taught. I tell them that
>>>> her harrness is like her work uniform and when she has her uniform on she's
>>>> working and needs to concentrate.  It usually works.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public
> 
> 
>>>>> Julie, A lot of good advice for everyone. What I like and think I will
>>>>> take with me today, is the 'just ask' lesson. That is a very important
>>>>> lesson. When I was teaching, all of my kindergarteners knew that they
>>>>> should never approach a dog they did not know without asking first.
>>>>> Now-a-days I am often approached by children asking and I explain to
>>>>> them why I do not allow her to be petted by others. They understand. I
>>>>> also thank them for asking. The adults on the other hand just act and
>>>>> never think to ask. I think, giving a lesson like this when in a mixed
>>>>> group is an excellent idea as it will teach the adults without them
>>>>> thinking or realizing they are being taught. Well, gotta get ready
>>>>> now. Thanks again for all of your great ideas. Eve
> 
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Eve,
> 
>>>>>> I just did presentations for the Boy Scouts.  They had a disabilities
>>>>>> awareness day, which I think could use some improvement, but that's
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> post for another list.  Anyway I had only 10 minutes with each small
>>>>>> group
>>>>>> of boys.  I first explained that I'm blind, which means I need to use
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> ways of doing things instead of looking at them.  This would seem
>>>>>> obvious,
>>>>>> but I've learned that a lot of people don't really get "blind".  Then I
>>>>>> move
>>>>>> on to the two main ways blind people use to move about, cane or dog.  I
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> them that both methods work just fine and that every blind person has to
>>>>>> figure out which they like or works best for them.  I introduce Monty,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> was laying beside me.  I explain that when he is guiding me I hold onto
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> handle and walk a step behind his shoulders.  I feel which way he is
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> from his shoulder movement, which travels through the harness handle.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is where I get a lot of odd questions.  I've found explaining it like
>>>>>> dancing gets my point across about the best.  I explain that Monty will
>>>>>> stop
>>>>>> if there's something he wants me to know about or if we can't go around,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that I make all the choices of which way we are going.  People think you
>>>>>> tell the dog "post office" and magically the dog takes you there.
> 
>>>>>> Over the years I have simplified my list of guide dog rules down to just
>>>>>> one, *ask*.  I think that one about covers it and if they can remember
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> one thing I hope it is that one thing.  I emphasize it a lot.  If they
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to pet, ask.  If they want to give food, ask, If they want to talk to the
>>>>>> dog, ask.  Otherwise they should completely ignore the dog.  I think the
>>>>>> just ask approach does a lot of things extremely simply.  If the kids are
>>>>>> asking, then they are learning to view the blind person as the leader of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> team.  They are learning basic dog etiquette that will serve them well
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> any sort of service dog team, police dog or even pets.  The just ask rule
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> extremely universal and flexible for any situation.  It allows each
>>>>>> handler
>>>>>> to manage the situation as he/she sees fit.
> 
>>>>>> Sometimes I let people pet, but usually not.  Either way I *always* smile
>>>>>> and tell them "thank you for asking".
> 
>>>>>> Then I take questions.  I don't do demonstrations unless I can't figure a
>>>>>> way out of it gracefully.  I've only ever done one.  Monty worked it
>>>>>> perfectly, but because the group didn't understand the finer points of
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> we work they all thought he had made several mistakes.  I tried to
>>>>>> explain
>>>>>> the subtleties, but there just isn't time in these sorts of
>>>>>> presentations. I
>>>>>> left feeling very frustrated.
> 
>>>>>> I have also done presentations at schools, visually impaired peer support
>>>>>> groups, the senior center and of course it comes up from time to time
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I'm doing presentations for work.  A couple of years ago I was presenting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a group of business leaders about the county programs I administer and I
>>>>>> think there were just as many questions about the dog as juvenile crime.
>>>>>> *smile*
> 
>>>>>> If you enjoy these presentations and are looking for places to contact to
>>>>>> offer your time maybe look at church groups, Chamber of Commerce member
>>>>>> events, Health Department, schools, colleges especially the special ed or
>>>>>> diversity studies, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, leadership groups, 4-H,
>>>>>> children's museums, etc.  Something I have noticed through my county job
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that more and more anytime there is state or federal grant funding, there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> usually some component of diversity or disability or something.  There
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> trainings held to "educate" the people applying for and manageing these
>>>>>> grants about these topics.  Although I had never attended a "diversity"
>>>>>> training presented by a "diverse" person...except once.  I don't know of
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> easy way to find these opportunities though.
> 
>>>>>> HTH I hope you have fun and that the people learn a lot!
>>>>>> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:35 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] teaching the public
> 
> 
>>>>>> Tomorrow there is a canine fashion show being put on as a fund raising
>>>>>> event for a new K--9 for the Yavapaih County Marshalls. There are many
>>>>>> silly things going on to get the community happy. There also some
>>>>>> educational things going on to enlighten the community. First on the
>>>>>> agenda is a presentation by yours truly on guide dogs. I did a
>>>>>> presentation with my dog just last week during a dinner and know that
>>>>>> there is an upcoming presentation on the schedule with a local church
>>>>>> group. In other words, I am busy becoming an ambassador and educater
>>>>>> about guide dogs and guide dog users. I am sure that many of you have
>>>>>> done these types of things also and would love to hear about your
>>>>>> experiences. It is not that I am some great speaker or anything. I
>>>>>> just get asked. Also, in my community, there are a total of three
>>>>>> guide dogs. WE JUST DONT HAVE THE NUMBERS
>>>>>> I would really like to hear about what you all do with your dogs, not
>>>>>> to compare, but to get more ideas of how we could all get involved and
>>>>>> what others do that might be good ideas to borrow on. Thanks, Eve
> 
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