[nagdu] teaching the public

Tue Apr 9 00:42:39 UTC 2013

Umm, Star was that to me? What did I cancel? Or maybe I missed
something and you are talking to someone else, because I sure do not
understand your post. Eve

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I sure didn't correct, because I feel the same way you do.
> I want him to decide for himself what we need to do.
> I just get frustrated when I am told the dog isn't good because he didn't do
> this or that.
> I am more sensitive with this dog than my others.
> I had to work hard getting him, where he is a slow thinker, where I respect
> this.
> We get done what we need to do.
> Original message:
>
>> Ben doesn't always follow well, and especially didn't when he was younger.
>>  It's only a tiny part of his job; most of the time, we're on our own and
>> he has to use his initiative.  So naturally, when he could follow someone,
>> he's still thinking about what's the best way to go, in his opinion.  I
>> don't correct him for that.  I value his thinking, and want to encourage
>> his initiative. In the big picture, it's a lot more useful to me than just
>> following.  The people I'm with don't always understand that, though.
>> Tracy
>
>
>>> yesterday was entertaining for me.
>>> When we got to the buss door I put my hand on the door where he went on
>>> the wrong side of the door.
>>> I shared with him it would be better to go up the steps.
>>> People were laughing that he did this, saying he sure doesn't know much.
>>> My reply was,
>>> he wanted to look at you threw the window.
>>> When mass was over, we started walking behind my brother in law, then
>>> he decided that he wanted to go out a different door.
>>> A gentleman came up to me saying, did you want to go out the side door?
>>> I said sure yes thanks,
>>> My brother in law shared with me that I didn't have a good dog because
>>> he didn't follow me.
>>> he usually does so he didn't pay attention to seee what the dog was
>>> doing.
>>> We both said, My dog has his own ideas.
>>> Only he knows what they are.
>>> When we go to mass during the week, we go threw the front door.
>>> So I didn't feel it was necessary to correct, when he wanted to go out
>>> the front.
>>> Gee why don't we say that to folks who have children, how bad they are
>>> because they don't behave in a crowd.
>>> Now I don't believe this, where it is frustrating when I know I do have
>>> a swell dog.
>>> Let me decide if my dog is good or bad, no one else needs to do this for
>>> me.
>>> Original message:
>>>>
>>>> I am actually trying to ignore people talking to my dog. It is so
>>>> annoying that they do it anyway, but mostly I don't know that it
>>>> distracts him that much; if I think it is distracting him, I give him a
>>>> verbal reprimand to make sure he is on task; then when we have
>>>> successfully completed our task, I praise him for it.
>
>
>>>> CL
>
>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:31 PM, d m gina wrote:
>
>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> As I was getting off the buss the new driver was talking to the dog.
>>>>> I don't know when I will see this driver again, I know he will drive
>>>>> the buss every third week of the month.
>>>>> I thought then I could ask for him to let the dog concentrate getting
>>>>> me off the buss.
>>>>> How do you folks handle this.
>>>>> I don't want the dog excited while I am trying to find the first step
>>>>> to step down three steps to the driveway.
>>>>> I call my dog buddy then folks won't know his name.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that the adults are the ones who need to be taught. I tell them
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> her harrness is like her work uniform and when she has her uniform on
>>>>>> she's
>>>>>> working and needs to concentrate.  It usually works.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public
>
>
>
>>>>>>> Julie, A lot of good advice for everyone. What I like and think I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> take with me today, is the 'just ask' lesson. That is a very
>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>> lesson. When I was teaching, all of my kindergarteners knew that they
>>>>>>> should never approach a dog they did not know without asking first.
>>>>>>> Now-a-days I am often approached by children asking and I explain to
>>>>>>> them why I do not allow her to be petted by others. They understand.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> also thank them for asking. The adults on the other hand just act and
>>>>>>> never think to ask. I think, giving a lesson like this when in a
>>>>>>> mixed
>>>>>>> group is an excellent idea as it will teach the adults without them
>>>>>>> thinking or realizing they are being taught. Well, gotta get ready
>>>>>>> now. Thanks again for all of your great ideas. Eve
>
>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eve,
>
>
>>>>>>>> I just did presentations for the Boy Scouts.  They had a
>>>>>>>> disabilities
>>>>>>>> awareness day, which I think could use some improvement, but that's
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> post for another list.  Anyway I had only 10 minutes with each small
>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>> of boys.  I first explained that I'm blind, which means I need to
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> ways of doing things instead of looking at them.  This would seem
>>>>>>>> obvious,
>>>>>>>> but I've learned that a lot of people don't really get "blind".
>>>>>>>> Then I
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> on to the two main ways blind people use to move about, cane or dog.
>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> them that both methods work just fine and that every blind person
>>>>>>>> has to
>>>>>>>> figure out which they like or works best for them.  I introduce
>>>>>>>> Monty,
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> was laying beside me.  I explain that when he is guiding me I hold
>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> handle and walk a step behind his shoulders.  I feel which way he is
>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>> from his shoulder movement, which travels through the harness
>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is where I get a lot of odd questions.  I've found explaining it
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> dancing gets my point across about the best.  I explain that Monty
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>> if there's something he wants me to know about or if we can't go
>>>>>>>> around,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> that I make all the choices of which way we are going.  People think
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> tell the dog "post office" and magically the dog takes you there.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Over the years I have simplified my list of guide dog rules down to
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> one, *ask*.  I think that one about covers it and if they can
>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> one thing I hope it is that one thing.  I emphasize it a lot.  If
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to pet, ask.  If they want to give food, ask, If they want to talk
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> dog, ask.  Otherwise they should completely ignore the dog.  I think
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> just ask approach does a lot of things extremely simply.  If the
>>>>>>>> kids are
>>>>>>>> asking, then they are learning to view the blind person as the
>>>>>>>> leader of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> team.  They are learning basic dog etiquette that will serve them
>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> any sort of service dog team, police dog or even pets.  The just ask
>>>>>>>> rule
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> extremely universal and flexible for any situation.  It allows each
>>>>>>>> handler
>>>>>>>> to manage the situation as he/she sees fit.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Sometimes I let people pet, but usually not.  Either way I *always*
>>>>>>>> smile
>>>>>>>> and tell them "thank you for asking".
>
>
>>>>>>>> Then I take questions.  I don't do demonstrations unless I can't
>>>>>>>> figure a
>>>>>>>> way out of it gracefully.  I've only ever done one.  Monty worked it
>>>>>>>> perfectly, but because the group didn't understand the finer points
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> we work they all thought he had made several mistakes.  I tried to
>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>> the subtleties, but there just isn't time in these sorts of
>>>>>>>> presentations. I
>>>>>>>> left feeling very frustrated.
>
>
>>>>>>>> I have also done presentations at schools, visually impaired peer
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>> groups, the senior center and of course it comes up from time to
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> I'm doing presentations for work.  A couple of years ago I was
>>>>>>>> presenting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a group of business leaders about the county programs I administer
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> think there were just as many questions about the dog as juvenile
>>>>>>>> crime.
>>>>>>>> *smile*
>
>
>>>>>>>> If you enjoy these presentations and are looking for places to
>>>>>>>> contact to
>>>>>>>> offer your time maybe look at church groups, Chamber of Commerce
>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> events, Health Department, schools, colleges especially the special
>>>>>>>> ed or
>>>>>>>> diversity studies, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, leadership groups, 4-H,
>>>>>>>> children's museums, etc.  Something I have noticed through my county
>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> that more and more anytime there is state or federal grant funding,
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> usually some component of diversity or disability or something.
>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> trainings held to "educate" the people applying for and manageing
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> grants about these topics.  Although I had never attended a
>>>>>>>> "diversity"
>>>>>>>> training presented by a "diverse" person...except once.  I don't
>>>>>>>> know of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> easy way to find these opportunities though.
>
>
>>>>>>>> HTH I hope you have fun and that the people learn a lot!
>>>>>>>> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] teaching the public
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> Tomorrow there is a canine fashion show being put on as a fund
>>>>>>>> raising
>>>>>>>> event for a new K--9 for the Yavapaih County Marshalls. There are
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> silly things going on to get the community happy. There also some
>>>>>>>> educational things going on to enlighten the community. First on the
>>>>>>>> agenda is a presentation by yours truly on guide dogs. I did a
>>>>>>>> presentation with my dog just last week during a dinner and know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there is an upcoming presentation on the schedule with a local
>>>>>>>> church
>>>>>>>> group. In other words, I am busy becoming an ambassador and educater
>>>>>>>> about guide dogs and guide dog users. I am sure that many of you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> done these types of things also and would love to hear about your
>>>>>>>> experiences. It is not that I am some great speaker or anything. I
>>>>>>>> just get asked. Also, in my community, there are a total of three
>>>>>>>> guide dogs. WE JUST DONT HAVE THE NUMBERS
>>>>>>>> I would really like to hear about what you all do with your dogs,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> to compare, but to get more ideas of how we could all get involved
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> what others do that might be good ideas to borrow on. Thanks, Eve
>
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