[nagdu] teaching the public

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Tue Apr 9 12:31:35 UTC 2013 

Ev, 
I thought you said you canceled something to talk to this group? If I
misread then I'm sorry. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:43 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public

Umm, Star was that to me? What did I cancel? Or maybe I missed something and
you are talking to someone else, because I sure do not understand your post.
Eve

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I sure didn't correct, because I feel the same way you do.
> I want him to decide for himself what we need to do.
> I just get frustrated when I am told the dog isn't good because he 
> didn't do this or that.
> I am more sensitive with this dog than my others.
> I had to work hard getting him, where he is a slow thinker, where I 
> respect this.
> We get done what we need to do.
> Original message:
>
>> Ben doesn't always follow well, and especially didn't when he was
younger.
>>  It's only a tiny part of his job; most of the time, we're on our own 
>> and he has to use his initiative.  So naturally, when he could follow 
>> someone, he's still thinking about what's the best way to go, in his 
>> opinion.  I don't correct him for that.  I value his thinking, and 
>> want to encourage his initiative. In the big picture, it's a lot more 
>> useful to me than just following.  The people I'm with don't always
understand that, though.
>> Tracy
>
>
>>> yesterday was entertaining for me.
>>> When we got to the buss door I put my hand on the door where he went 
>>> on the wrong side of the door.
>>> I shared with him it would be better to go up the steps.
>>> People were laughing that he did this, saying he sure doesn't know much.
>>> My reply was,
>>> he wanted to look at you threw the window.
>>> When mass was over, we started walking behind my brother in law, 
>>> then he decided that he wanted to go out a different door.
>>> A gentleman came up to me saying, did you want to go out the side door?
>>> I said sure yes thanks,
>>> My brother in law shared with me that I didn't have a good dog 
>>> because he didn't follow me.
>>> he usually does so he didn't pay attention to seee what the dog was 
>>> doing.
>>> We both said, My dog has his own ideas.
>>> Only he knows what they are.
>>> When we go to mass during the week, we go threw the front door.
>>> So I didn't feel it was necessary to correct, when he wanted to go 
>>> out the front.
>>> Gee why don't we say that to folks who have children, how bad they 
>>> are because they don't behave in a crowd.
>>> Now I don't believe this, where it is frustrating when I know I do 
>>> have a swell dog.
>>> Let me decide if my dog is good or bad, no one else needs to do this 
>>> for me.
>>> Original message:
>>>>
>>>> I am actually trying to ignore people talking to my dog. It is so 
>>>> annoying that they do it anyway, but mostly I don't know that it 
>>>> distracts him that much; if I think it is distracting him, I give 
>>>> him a verbal reprimand to make sure he is on task; then when we 
>>>> have successfully completed our task, I praise him for it.
>
>
>>>> CL
>
>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:31 PM, d m gina wrote:
>
>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> As I was getting off the buss the new driver was talking to the dog.
>>>>> I don't know when I will see this driver again, I know he will 
>>>>> drive the buss every third week of the month.
>>>>> I thought then I could ask for him to let the dog concentrate 
>>>>> getting me off the buss.
>>>>> How do you folks handle this.
>>>>> I don't want the dog excited while I am trying to find the first 
>>>>> step to step down three steps to the driveway.
>>>>> I call my dog buddy then folks won't know his name.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that the adults are the ones who need to be taught. I tell 
>>>>>> them that her harrness is like her work uniform and when she has 
>>>>>> her uniform on she's working and needs to concentrate.  It 
>>>>>> usually works.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public
>
>
>
>>>>>>> Julie, A lot of good advice for everyone. What I like and think 
>>>>>>> I will take with me today, is the 'just ask' lesson. That is a 
>>>>>>> very important lesson. When I was teaching, all of my 
>>>>>>> kindergarteners knew that they should never approach a dog they 
>>>>>>> did not know without asking first.
>>>>>>> Now-a-days I am often approached by children asking and I 
>>>>>>> explain to them why I do not allow her to be petted by others. They
understand.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> also thank them for asking. The adults on the other hand just 
>>>>>>> act and never think to ask. I think, giving a lesson like this 
>>>>>>> when in a mixed group is an excellent idea as it will teach the 
>>>>>>> adults without them thinking or realizing they are being taught. 
>>>>>>> Well, gotta get ready now. Thanks again for all of your great 
>>>>>>> ideas. Eve
>
>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eve,
>
>
>>>>>>>> I just did presentations for the Boy Scouts.  They had a 
>>>>>>>> disabilities awareness day, which I think could use some 
>>>>>>>> improvement, but that's another post for another list.  Anyway 
>>>>>>>> I had only 10 minutes with each small group of boys.  I first 
>>>>>>>> explained that I'm blind, which means I need to use other ways 
>>>>>>>> of doing things instead of looking at them.  This would seem 
>>>>>>>> obvious, but I've learned that a lot of people don't really get 
>>>>>>>> "blind".
>>>>>>>> Then I
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> on to the two main ways blind people use to move about, cane or
dog.
>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> them that both methods work just fine and that every blind 
>>>>>>>> person has to figure out which they like or works best for 
>>>>>>>> them.  I introduce Monty, who was laying beside me.  I explain 
>>>>>>>> that when he is guiding me I hold onto the handle and walk a 
>>>>>>>> step behind his shoulders.  I feel which way he is moving from 
>>>>>>>> his shoulder movement, which travels through the harness 
>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is where I get a lot of odd questions.  I've found explaining 
>>>>>>>> it like dancing gets my point across about the best.  I explain 
>>>>>>>> that Monty will stop if there's something he wants me to know 
>>>>>>>> about or if we can't go around, but that I make all the choices 
>>>>>>>> of which way we are going.  People think you tell the dog "post 
>>>>>>>> office" and magically the dog takes you there.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Over the years I have simplified my list of guide dog rules 
>>>>>>>> down to just one, *ask*.  I think that one about covers it and 
>>>>>>>> if they can remember just one thing I hope it is that one 
>>>>>>>> thing.  I emphasize it a lot.  If they want to pet, ask.  If 
>>>>>>>> they want to give food, ask, If they want to talk to the dog, 
>>>>>>>> ask.  Otherwise they should completely ignore the dog.  I think 
>>>>>>>> the just ask approach does a lot of things extremely simply.  
>>>>>>>> If the kids are asking, then they are learning to view the 
>>>>>>>> blind person as the leader of the team.  They are learning 
>>>>>>>> basic dog etiquette that will serve them well with any sort of 
>>>>>>>> service dog team, police dog or even pets.  The just ask rule 
>>>>>>>> is extremely universal and flexible for any situation.  It 
>>>>>>>> allows each handler to manage the situation as he/she sees fit.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Sometimes I let people pet, but usually not.  Either way I 
>>>>>>>> *always* smile and tell them "thank you for asking".
>
>
>>>>>>>> Then I take questions.  I don't do demonstrations unless I 
>>>>>>>> can't figure a way out of it gracefully.  I've only ever done 
>>>>>>>> one.  Monty worked it perfectly, but because the group didn't 
>>>>>>>> understand the finer points of how we work they all thought he 
>>>>>>>> had made several mistakes.  I tried to explain the subtleties, 
>>>>>>>> but there just isn't time in these sorts of presentations. I 
>>>>>>>> left feeling very frustrated.
>
>
>>>>>>>> I have also done presentations at schools, visually impaired 
>>>>>>>> peer support groups, the senior center and of course it comes 
>>>>>>>> up from time to time when I'm doing presentations for work.  A 
>>>>>>>> couple of years ago I was presenting to a group of business 
>>>>>>>> leaders about the county programs I administer and I think 
>>>>>>>> there were just as many questions about the dog as juvenile 
>>>>>>>> crime.
>>>>>>>> *smile*
>
>
>>>>>>>> If you enjoy these presentations and are looking for places to 
>>>>>>>> contact to offer your time maybe look at church groups, Chamber 
>>>>>>>> of Commerce member events, Health Department, schools, colleges 
>>>>>>>> especially the special ed or diversity studies, Boy Scouts, 
>>>>>>>> Girl Scouts, leadership groups, 4-H, children's museums, etc.  
>>>>>>>> Something I have noticed through my county job is that more and 
>>>>>>>> more anytime there is state or federal grant funding, there is 
>>>>>>>> usually some component of diversity or disability or something.
>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> trainings held to "educate" the people applying for and 
>>>>>>>> manageing these grants about these topics.  Although I had 
>>>>>>>> never attended a "diversity"
>>>>>>>> training presented by a "diverse" person...except once.  I 
>>>>>>>> don't know of any easy way to find these opportunities though.
>
>
>>>>>>>> HTH I hope you have fun and that the people learn a lot!
>>>>>>>> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] teaching the public
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> Tomorrow there is a canine fashion show being put on as a fund 
>>>>>>>> raising event for a new K--9 for the Yavapaih County Marshalls. 
>>>>>>>> There are many silly things going on to get the community 
>>>>>>>> happy. There also some educational things going on to enlighten 
>>>>>>>> the community. First on the agenda is a presentation by yours 
>>>>>>>> truly on guide dogs. I did a presentation with my dog just last 
>>>>>>>> week during a dinner and know that there is an upcoming 
>>>>>>>> presentation on the schedule with a local church group. In 
>>>>>>>> other words, I am busy becoming an ambassador and educater 
>>>>>>>> about guide dogs and guide dog users. I am sure that many of 
>>>>>>>> you have done these types of things also and would love to hear 
>>>>>>>> about your experiences. It is not that I am some great speaker 
>>>>>>>> or anything. I just get asked. Also, in my community, there are 
>>>>>>>> a total of three guide dogs. WE JUST DONT HAVE THE NUMBERS I 
>>>>>>>> would really like to hear about what you all do with your dogs, 
>>>>>>>> not to compare, but to get more ideas of how we could all get 
>>>>>>>> involved and what others do that might be good ideas to borrow 
>>>>>>>> on. Thanks, Eve
>
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