[nagdu] Veterinary assistance

Steven Johnson blinddog3 at charter.net
Sat Apr 13 10:16:32 UTC 2013 

Yep, I understand, but it is a good discussion point if we start looking at
one's long-term ability to actually care for a dog.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:14 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Veterinary assistance

Well, Steve. I am not actually asking for a philosophical discussion on
rights and wrongs about veternary assistance. I just wondering which schools
do provide assistance. For people starting out, it may be a consideration
whether you believe it should be or not, so I was curious. Actually with
Pilot, I believe that the assistance comes through fund raising done by the
alumni association, so it is handlers raising money for themselves. I may be
wrong there, but I think so.
Either way, I was just wondering which schools have any programs to help
support their graduates. Eve

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net>
wrote:
> Eve,
>
> Veterinary assistance is an interesting subject as I wonder how many 
> feel that if one is not able to take care of a dog, then why even 
> bother getting one?  Kind of a like a car, a home, or any other type 
> of property.  In my bias opinion, it is the responsibility of the 
> individual, not the training program to care for the dog.  If a 
> training program grants ownership upon graduation, then by all means, 
> it is that handlers responsibility, and that should be a term in the 
> final ownership contract.  If the training program does not provide 
> ownership until after 1, 2 or however many years, then yes, 
> subsidizing that cost may indeed be a part of the training programs 
> responsibility with the caveat that after ownership is granted, it 
> becomes their baby to take care of and care for.  I would be 
> interested in hearing what others have to say, as any of us who have a 
> guide realize that there are costs involved, and sometimes, significant
costs especially if something catastrophic or emergent occurs.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>
> Just curious. Reading all the posts, there is a lot of mention of 
> veternarian assistance. I am wondering if all the schools provide 
> assitance of some type. I heard specifically that GDA does and I know that
Pilot does.
> What of the others? As I said, just curious. Eve
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Eve Sanchez <celticyaya at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh I knew I would get it for that. It's just a personal prejudice I 
>> guess. I wont own one. Never have. Well, I actualy have owned two 
>> dogs that were each one quarter lab, but I didnt admit it often. Cant 
>> really say as to why. Just experiences I have had I guess and dont 
>> bother trying to change my mind. No one can. I have a golden 
>> retriever right now. My last dog was a german shepherd. I know that 
>> not all dogs in a breed are alike, but I cant get over my prejudice I 
>> guess. I do know that for some reason I could tolerate yellows much 
>> better than blacks so I am wondering if it might be a childhood 
>> thing.  Never really thought about chocolates one way or another.  Well,
sorry, but
>> that's how I feel. ;X Eve    Oh and I know it is not black dogs in
>> particular that I do not like. We had a black pitbull once that was a 
>> sweetheart. Her name was Loca and she thought she was a chihuahua.
>> Again, sorry.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> wrote:
>>> Hi Eve,
>>> What kind of dog do you have?  What do you not like about Labs? I 
>>> like to hear why people like certain breeds or why they dislike 
>>> certain breeds. Many schools are using Lab/Golden crosses now.
>>> Landon is one and he matches my red hair - and he has more grey than 
>>> I
> have! LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez"
>>> <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>>>
>>>
>>>> I myself would not worry about the location unless you want your 
>>>> training to double as a vacation. haha  I believe all schools will 
>>>> take you no matter where you are with maybe a couple of exceptions 
>>>> like one in NY and one in Texas. I myself chose based on multiple 
>>>> things. The breeds available, the amount and type of training 
>>>> avalable and yes, assitance and support afterwards. Ideally I would 
>>>> have gone to San Rafael as I am from Northern Cal originally and 
>>>> still have family right there, but I did not under any cercumstance 
>>>> want a labrador (no offense people). The school I chose have a 
>>>> variety of breeds, yes including poodles for the allergic. They 
>>>> also have Dobermans, shepherds, boxers, labs, goldens, and vizlas. 
>>>> I probably spelled that last one wrong. Once in a while they have 
>>>> crosses like labradoodles. Most are bred for the program and some 
>>>> are donations by breeders they work with. All are screened for 
>>>> suitability. The training process is there at the facility as I 
>>>> would have been very uncomfortable doing it at my home. Just me, 
>>>> but as I was also in process of moving it made sense. Look at all 
>>>> the schools online, call and talk to their staff, and make your own 
>>>> decision. I could tell you that my school is best, but it may not 
>>>> be best for you. Either way, be prepared, there will be people 
>>>> found who could tell you what is wrong with each school. Again, 
>>>> judge for yourself. I am also thinking you are not even sure at 
>>>> this point if a dog is right for you. For this I will tell you the same
thing.
>>>> When I struggled with this, I had some very opinionated people tell 
>>>> me why I should not get a dog. I also had sympathetic wusses tell 
>>>> me it would be wonderful for me to be taken care of. What finally 
>>>> helped me decide was an incident in which I was left alone in a 
>>>> park and had no idea where I was. I realized at that moment that, 
>>>> though a cane helps me be safe, it does not tell me where to go. A 
>>>> cane is also crappy companionship when on your own. When I am in an 
>>>> unknown area with my dog, though some people say this is not true, 
>>>> I could tell my dog to find the sidewalk or whatever. She will and 
>>>> then once I have a landmark, I have my bearings and can go on from 
>>>> there. Yes, a cane is safe, but a dog gets you places AND is safe. 
>>>> You decide though and talk all that we say with what you think it is
worth.
>>>> Blessed Be. Eve
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Chantel Cuddemi 
>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I chose Pilot Dogs because they trained standard poodles, the 
>>>>> breed I chose to train with, and I also chose Pilot because 
>>>>> they're right here in Ohio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with whatever school you choose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Anjelina Cruz
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:31 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning all,
>>>>> I am currently a cane user who recently has been interested in 
>>>>> choosing a dog guide school. How did you choose your school?
>>>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Anjelina
>>>>>
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