[nagdu] Veterinary assistance

Marsha Drenth marsha.drenth at gmail.com
Wed Apr 17 15:37:10 UTC 2013 

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On Apr 17, 2013, at 1:36 AM, Eve Sanchez <celticyaya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Makes sense to me. I mean, I can't imagine leaving Taylor home for
> very long at all if I even must. I would sure rather not. Well, I hope
> you had fun. I myself, would absoluetly love to go to the real thing.
> Elton is one on my lists of 'really want to see's. Eve
> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
>> Yes, I took Landon to the concert and my friend took her dog as wwell.  TheyI would sure rather not.
>> did very well and not a peep from either of them!  It was our Gay Men's
>> Chorus doing Elton John music and it was the next best thing to going to an
>> actual Elton John concert - cheaper!  The Chorus is excellent and I really
>> enjoy them.
>> 
>> When I was pruchasing the tickets on the Gay Men's Chorus website, they had
>> a seating chart of the North Park Theatre and I selected seats where I
>> thought would provide the most room for the dogs and they worked out well
>> for us.  As that theatre is in my neighbothood, I sometimes go to it without
>> my dog.  there's isn't much room between the rows of seats.  I sit way up
>> front when there is free seating there such as for the LGBT film festival or
>> a community meeting held there.  So, I either bring Landon or the long,
>> white skinny dog - LOL!
>> 
>> I brought Landon to the concert because we were going out to eat afterwards
>> and I didn't want to make him stay home alone too long.  I don't go to
>> obnoxiously loud concerts either.  He's gone with me to the San diego Summer
>> Pops and the holiday Pops concert around Christmas time and he does very
>> well.  He does an excellent job of working me through crowds in theatres as
>> well as at street fairs.  He's a good dog!
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:19 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Veterinary assistance
>> 
>> 
>>> Are you taking Landon to the concert? Just wondering how that works. Eve
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eve,
>>>> GDB is Guide Dogs for the Blind in San Rafael CA and Boring, OR - they
>>>> are
>>>> the only U.S. school with two campuses.  Guiding Eyes in Yorktown
>>>> Heights,
>>>> NY also has some assistance for their graduates.  I think they help with
>>>> vet
>>>> bills and they supply the flea preventative.  Seeing Eye does not.  TSE
>>>> gives their graduates a six-month supply of the flea preventitive and
>>>> that's
>>>> it.  This is given when you are first going home with a new dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, I thought the discussion on the philosophy was good and I
>>>> didn't
>>>> see any bashing or dissing others opinion.  But, I think everyone had his
>>>> or
>>>> her say on this topic and it was good.
>>>> 
>>>> You take care and have a good day.  My sister and I are taking some
>>>> friends
>>>> to a concert today and I'm looking forward to it!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
>>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:28 PM
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Veterinary assistance
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Just to let youall know, my above post was actually sent about 4 posts
>>>>> ago. I would not have added it here and do agree that this line has
>>>>> gotten out of hand. I was just curious as to which schools provide
>>>>> assistance and have so far heard repeatedly that GDB (who ever that
>>>>> is)does and know that Pilot does and maybe Seeing Eye. If there is no
>>>>> more information, I agree. I think the philosophical discussions, like
>>>>> this has turned into, just cause hard feelings by those who disagree
>>>>> and I really want us all to get along so that we could learn from each
>>>>> other. Let's change the subject now. My dog's poop problem has gotten
>>>>> much better. Thank you, Eve
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Eve Sanchez <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and who knows what the long term abilities are? I was set for life
>>>>>> with a professional license and a high paying career and then boom, I
>>>>>> had medical issues that ended my work career. No one knows what life
>>>>>> is going to deal unless you spend every spare moment with the tarot
>>>>>> deck and scrying mirror, and even that is up for change due to
>>>>>> circumstances and choice.  Just saying. Eve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know a graduate of GDB whose dog had severe allergies that required
>>>>>>> shots
>>>>>>> every two weeks.  GDB did pay this expense.  In favor of the vet
>>>>>>> stipend,
>>>>>>> having this enabled the friend to keep working her dog and she had the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> for many years.  Me having a dog from another school, if faced with
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> same issue, i would have to retire the dog and get a new one because i
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> no way in hell pay the cost of allergy shots and the vet
>>>>>>> dermitologist.
>>>>>>> Having a dog that is high maintainance and cost is impossible when the
>>>>>>> school does not help with the expense and you don't have alot of money
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> have enouogh for regular care.  Fortunately, I have not had to deal
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this issue - yet.  Landon does get some skin itchies during the summer
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> we can deal with that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juanita Herrera"
>>>>>>> <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:44 PM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Veterinary assistance
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Margo, GDB offers veterinary assistance to all their graduates if
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> request it. Tracy, as far as I know they offer $250 for a regular
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>> check And to pay for flea preventative and heartworm preventative.
>>>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> any emergencies were to occur they're usually willing to pay for that
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>> Juanita Herrera
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:26 AM, "Margo and Arrow"
>>>>>>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, Seeing eye has always granted ownership.  Even though we own
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>>> when we leave the school as it's always been, Seeing Eye used to pay
>>>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>>> expenses the first year and then you could get a loan if need be
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>> Now, I think they give a stipend either just the first year or every
>>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>> and I think they may still have the loan program.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> GDB I believe used to say that people who owned their dogs wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>> from them--someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Anyway, they give some
>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> vet assistance now.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven
>>>>>>>>> Johnson
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Veterinary assistance
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Veterinary assistance is an interesting subject as I wonder how many
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> that if one is not able to take care of a dog, then why even bother
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> one?  Kind of a like a car, a home, or any other type of property.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> bias opinion, it is the responsibility of the individual, not the
>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>> program to care for the dog.  If a training program grants ownership
>>>>>>>>> upon
>>>>>>>>> graduation, then by all means, it is that handlers responsibility,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> should be a term in the final ownership contract.  If the training
>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>> does not provide ownership until after 1, 2 or however many years,
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>> subsidizing that cost may indeed be a part of the training programs
>>>>>>>>> responsibility with the caveat that after ownership is granted, it
>>>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>>>> their baby to take care of and care for.  I would be interested in
>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>> what others have to say, as any of us who have a guide realize that
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are costs involved, and sometimes, significant costs especially if
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> catastrophic or emergent occurs.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve
>>>>>>>>> Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:51 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just curious. Reading all the posts, there is a lot of mention of
>>>>>>>>> veternarian assistance. I am wondering if all the schools provide
>>>>>>>>> assitance
>>>>>>>>> of some type. I heard specifically that GDA does and I know that
>>>>>>>>> Pilot
>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>> What of the others? As I said, just curious. Eve
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Eve Sanchez <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Oh I knew I would get it for that. It's just a personal prejudice I
>>>>>>>>>> guess. I wont own one. Never have. Well, I actualy have owned two
>>>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>>>> that were each one quarter lab, but I didnt admit it often. Cant
>>>>>>>>>> really say as to why. Just experiences I have had I guess and dont
>>>>>>>>>> bother trying to change my mind. No one can. I have a golden
>>>>>>>>>> retriever
>>>>>>>>>> right now. My last dog was a german shepherd. I know that not all
>>>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>>>> in a breed are alike, but I cant get over my prejudice I guess. I
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> know that for some reason I could tolerate yellows much better than
>>>>>>>>>> blacks so I am wondering if it might be a childhood thing.  Never
>>>>>>>>>> really thought about chocolates one way or another.  Well, sorry,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> that's how I feel. ;X Eve    Oh and I know it is not black dogs in
>>>>>>>>>> particular that I do not like. We had a black pitbull once that was
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> sweetheart. Her name was Loca and she thought she was a chihuahua.
>>>>>>>>>> Again, sorry.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Lyn Gwizdak
>>>>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Eve,
>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of dog do you have?  What do you not like about Labs? I
>>>>>>>>>>> like to hear why people like certain breeds or why they dislike
>>>>>>>>>>> certain breeds. Many schools are using Lab/Golden crosses now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is one and he matches my red hair - and he has more grey
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> have! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez"
>>>>>>>>>>> <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I myself would not worry about the location unless you want your
>>>>>>>>>>>> training to double as a vacation. haha  I believe all schools
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> take you no matter where you are with maybe a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptions
>>>>>>>>>>>> like one in NY and one in Texas. I myself chose based on multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>> things. The breeds available, the amount and type of training
>>>>>>>>>>>> avalable and yes, assitance and support afterwards. Ideally I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> have gone to San Rafael as I am from Northern Cal originally and
>>>>>>>>>>>> still have family right there, but I did not under any
>>>>>>>>>>>> cercumstance
>>>>>>>>>>>> want a labrador (no offense people). The school I chose have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> variety of breeds, yes including poodles for the allergic. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>> have Dobermans, shepherds, boxers, labs, goldens, and vizlas. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably spelled that last one wrong. Once in a while they have
>>>>>>>>>>>> crosses like labradoodles. Most are bred for the program and some
>>>>>>>>>>>> are donations by breeders they work with. All are screened for
>>>>>>>>>>>> suitability. The training process is there at the facility as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would have been very uncomfortable doing it at my home. Just me,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I was also in process of moving it made sense. Look at all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> schools online, call and talk to their staff, and make your own
>>>>>>>>>>>> decision. I could tell you that my school is best, but it may not
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> best for you. Either way, be prepared, there will be people found
>>>>>>>>>>>> who could tell you what is wrong with each school. Again, judge
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself. I am also thinking you are not even sure at this point
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> a dog is right for you. For this I will tell you the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I struggled with this, I had some very opinionated people
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> me why I should not get a dog. I also had sympathetic wusses tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be wonderful for me to be taken care of. What finally
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide was an incident in which I was left alone in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> park
>>>>>>>>>>>> and had no idea where I was. I realized at that moment that,
>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane helps me be safe, it does not tell me where to go. A cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> also crappy companionship when on your own. When I am in an
>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>> area with my dog, though some people say this is not true, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell my dog to find the sidewalk or whatever. She will and then
>>>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a landmark, I have my bearings and can go on from there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane is safe, but a dog gets you places AND is safe. You decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> though and talk all that we say with what you think it is worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessed Be. Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Chantel Cuddemi
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I chose Pilot Dogs because they trained standard poodles, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> breed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I chose to train with, and I also chose Pilot because they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here in Ohio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with whatever school you choose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anjelina
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cruz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:31 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] A cane user interested in a dog guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently a cane user who recently has been interested in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choosing a dog guide school. How did you choose your school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anjelina
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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