[nagdu] Staff cuts at guide dog schools

Wed Apr 17 15:55:38 UTC 2013

Hi there,
I guess I come from a small world doing one day at a time.
I feel no matter what the cuts are, or who has left,
I have to trust that the school I attend will train my dog as best as they can.
Or I need to find another school to go to, not knowing anything about 
the school so they get a fare chance to train the dog I need.
Hope this makes sense.
I also give myself credit here, if I feel the dog needs to learn a new 
way of doing something, I have the confidence in myself to do the training.
When you think about it, we train our dogs all of the time.
where our house is, and much more.
This comes so naturally we don't even think about it.
If one instructor showed you something you like, then when you leave 
the school show what you like to the dog.
They are out to please, so we can give them different ways to please us.
Still sticking to the basics of training.
Isn't it fun to know we have different ways of training we were shown 
from different instructors?
Are you going for a new dog?
If so have a wonderful time.
 Original message:
> Hi all,
> Thanks for all your perspectives thus far. I want to be clear that I do 
> not want to start a huge argument, I am just curious to see what others 
> have to say.
> The two schools in which I was referring to have already been named in 
> other posts, they are TSE and GDB. Those are the ones I know of, but I 
> am curious to see if other schools have made recent cuts.
> Deanna and Pascal


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:09 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Staff cuts at guide dog schools

> Diane,
> Since these are nonprofit institutions, you can ask them to explain 
> what's going on.
> It's not like it's your grandma and it's her business.
> Since this bothers you, I'd name the schools (because not doing so 
> makes it look shady) and because this is info all of us have a right to know.
> Why not ask the schools to explain their decisions to you?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Hooper
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Staff cuts at guide dog schools

> Hello:

> A brief note about renovations and such:

> In the case of The Seeing Eye--one of the schools engaged in the 
> activities mentioned--the renovations have been planned for quite a 
> while. The lay-offs were an unfortunate result of the economic 
> difficulties of being a non-profit organization in today's trying 
> times. The idea behind the renovations is, ultimately, to reduce 
> long-term spending by making the buildings more efficient, the training 
> more comprehensive, the staff as fully utilized as possible, etc. The 
> most noticeable aspect of the school's renovations will be felt in the 
> reduction of various costs associated with maintenance, electricity 
> consumption, (presumably) lower insurance costs, etc. It will help to 
> lower the possibility of the school having to take another staffing cut 
> at some point in the future.

> I feel that this is all I can say about the things going on at my 
> school--I haven't any information with regards to any other. As I am 
> not on any sort of board or committee with access to inside 
> information, I can't definitively conclude or speculate as to any 
> further motives the school may have other than those with which they 
> have thus far provided me. I understand that staff cuts can be very 
> upsetting, especially if they happen to coincide with a major expense, 
> but I would avoid drawing any conclusions unless there is evidence to 
> suggest that mischief is afoot. The Seeing Eye, at least, has, to my 
> thinking, been remarkably open, forthright, and honest with its 
> graduates about the changes taking place--there was even a conference 
> for Seeing Eye grads set up by the school. Although I feel saddened by 
> those well-respected individuals who lost their jobs, I do believe 
> that, if there were an easier and more realistic way to do things, it 
> would have been done. TSE isn't known for rash o
>  r impetuous decisions--I believe they are, for the time being, still 
> as client-centered as ever. Of course, we do have the right to seek as 
> much information regarding any changes as possible--especially the 
> graduates and other supporters of the program. So, by no means stop 
> asking questions. The patrons and supporters of any guide dog school 
> can play a huge role in seeing that their school goes in a direction 
> that is best suitable for the program's longevity and philosophy.

> Alright, that's it from me. I only chimed in because both the 
> renovations and staff cuts caused a massive kerfuffle on the Seeing Eye 
> list a while ago, and these were many of the topics hotly debated in 
> those hectic few weeks--come to think of it, there may have been a 
> kerfuffle on this list as well--I can't remember. Anyway, back to 
> chemistry with me. Yay H+ ions, epispheres, relativistic physics 
> affecting chemical properties, amino acid clipping, protein binding and 
> cleaving, OH groups, hydrogenation, alkynes, etc.

> Robert Hooper
> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
> The Ohio State University, Department of Psychology; Department of Neuroscience
> 572 Stinchcomb Drive
> Apt. 3
> Columbus, Ohio 43202-3702
> (740) 856-8195

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:09 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> (nagdu at nfbnet.org)
> Subject: [nagdu] Staff cuts at guide dog schools

> Hi list,
> I have heard of some very big changes in a couple of guide dog schools 
> recently, and am a bit worried by it.
> I know that two very well respected Guide Dog schools have had large 
> staffing cuts recently. Both schools let go of trainers/field reps with 
> years of experience. Also, both schools are also renovating their 
> dormitories. I am wondering if there is a connection? And also I am 
> worried that this may become a trend with the training programs? I hope not.
> Do you know of any other schools who have done this recently?
> What do y'all think?
> I hope not to start a big debate, but I am just worried that many of 
> the schools are headed towards being less client driven.

> Deanna and Pascal

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