[nagdu] Naming names

Jenny Keller jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 18 22:26:35 UTC 2013


Hi all,

I think naming names can be constructive.  

I wouldn't have known from the glowing reports that I got from my former guide dog school, that they were ot above lying and deception to get me to come back to their school after one class of two bad matches, just because they found our I was aplying to another school.

Sometimes, you have to talk to people who will tell you to be careful,or watch your back because a school has this or that reputation. Just as if a school had a wonderful reputation, and you didn't know it existed.  You'd want to have that option brought up to you.

JMO,

Jenny
On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:34 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

> Eve,
> 
> I don't agree with your assertion that people should not be using this list to find out about the various guide dog programs.  You suggest that people should go directly to the source, the guide dog program.
> 
> I view getting a guide dog like any other consumer acquisition.  Let's say I'm in the market for a car.  I'm thinking about a Fordor a Toyota.  I go to the Ford dealership and ask about their cars.  They are going to tell me all the wonderful things about their cars and how they are better than the rest. Then I go to the Toyota dealer and guess what? they tell me all the same things except of course their cars are the best, even better than Ford.  So how do I figure out what is what and who to believe?  I go to the users.
> 
> I start asking my friends who use the products I'm interested in about their experiences and satisfaction.  When I'm out and about I notice the products I'm interested in in use.  I make a note of whether or not I like what I'm hearing and observing.   I make my decision based on all the information I have gathered.
> 
> I think this list and others like it, are the exact right place to get information about guide dogs from actual users.
> 
> Over the years I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of guide dog users and program staff.  I've been around a lot of guide dog teams and have seen first hand how they work in a real life situation.  If I had called the schools or read the info on their web sites I would in no way have the same understanding of what they are offering.
> 
> All that said I think there absolutely needs to be respectful discussion. Perhaps I have a much higher tolerance for negativity than others, but I rarely see bashing or flaming on this list.  I'm totally okay with people respectfully disagreeing with an idea.  I also think it's very important for people to limit their sharing with firsthand accounts.  The stuff that begins with my next door neighbor's, hairdressers brother had a guide dog from XYZ and I heard it was horrid are truly inappropriate.  I honestly see no problem with a statement like, "I had a guide dog from XYZ and it was horrid."  That's not hearsay or gossip.  That's a honest firsthand account.
> 
> Anyway that's my .02 for what it's worth.
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:50 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
> 
> Yes, the issue here (that I think Marsha is trying to get across) is
> that people are using names without knowing facts. They think they
> know, but rumors spread and falsehoods abound and soon what is being
> said (though well meaning) is a bunch of lies that could be considered
> bashing. People should not be learning from people on this list which
> schools are great and which are not, because it is opinions and hear
> say. People should be able to learn from the source they wish to
> investigate. What we should be learning here is our own experiences of
> occurances, how-to's, and what works for us. We can only honestly
> report about ourselves. I am not saying anyone here would
> intentionally lie, but people make mistakes or are just plain wrong.
> When the names are thrown out with false formation or the bashing
> comments, it does cause blood pressures to rise. As for me, I am
> getting sick of this entire thread. The rules are laid out. Accept
> them. If people want to quit the list because they cannot handle the
> rules then good riddance. Can we get back to talking about our dogs
> now? Eve
> 
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> Well said, there is a big difference between honest discussion between handlers and putting others down for the choices that they need to make.
>> 
>> Sheila Leigland
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