[nagdu] Naming names

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Sat Apr 20 21:48:33 UTC 2013 

Larry,
I would think the purpose of the list is for sharing our knowledge and 
experiences!  YEAH!

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names


> Well isn't the purpose of this list to share information with each other 
> and the public?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>
>
>> Yeah, Julie,
>> You are right on the mark here.  I have been around a LOT of guide dog 
>> users since 1971 and they had dogs from a variety of schools and a 
>> variety of breeds.  And a variety of experiences at their schools or with 
>> their dogs.
>>
>> I have been to a variety of schools myself and have shared my own 
>> experiences at the schools.  I also like seeing the owner-trainers on the 
>> list.  they have another perspective on guide dogs that are different 
>> from those of us who go to schools.  I value ALL of the experiences found 
>> on this list.
>>
>> All we really need to keep in mind is that ALL of us has a right to 
>> express our own opinions and it can be done respectfully as it should be.
>>
>> Yeah, we are a good bunch here! LOL!
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>>
>>
>>> Eve,
>>>
>>> I don't agree with your assertion that people should not be using this 
>>> list to find out about the various guide dog programs.  You suggest that 
>>> people should go directly to the source, the guide dog program.
>>>
>>> I view getting a guide dog like any other consumer acquisition.  Let's 
>>> say I'm in the market for a car.  I'm thinking about a Fordor a Toyota. 
>>> I go to the Ford dealership and ask about their cars.  They are going to 
>>> tell me all the wonderful things about their cars and how they are 
>>> better than the rest. Then I go to the Toyota dealer and guess what? 
>>> they tell me all the same things except of course their cars are the 
>>> best, even better than Ford.  So how do I figure out what is what and 
>>> who to believe?  I go to the users.
>>>
>>> I start asking my friends who use the products I'm interested in about 
>>> their experiences and satisfaction.  When I'm out and about I notice the 
>>> products I'm interested in in use.  I make a note of whether or not I 
>>> like what I'm hearing and observing.   I make my decision based on all 
>>> the information I have gathered.
>>>
>>> I think this list and others like it, are the exact right place to get 
>>> information about guide dogs from actual users.
>>>
>>> Over the years I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of guide dog 
>>> users and program staff.  I've been around a lot of guide dog teams and 
>>> have seen first hand how they work in a real life situation.  If I had 
>>> called the schools or read the info on their web sites I would in no way 
>>> have the same understanding of what they are offering.
>>>
>>> All that said I think there absolutely needs to be respectful 
>>> discussion. Perhaps I have a much higher tolerance for negativity than 
>>> others, but I rarely see bashing or flaming on this list.  I'm totally 
>>> okay with people respectfully disagreeing with an idea.  I also think 
>>> it's very important for people to limit their sharing with firsthand 
>>> accounts.  The stuff that begins with my next door neighbor's, 
>>> hairdressers brother had a guide dog from XYZ and I heard it was horrid 
>>> are truly inappropriate.  I honestly see no problem with a statement 
>>> like, "I had a guide dog from XYZ and it was horrid."  That's not 
>>> hearsay or gossip.  That's a honest firsthand account.
>>>
>>> Anyway that's my .02 for what it's worth.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Eve Sanchez
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:50 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>>>
>>> Yes, the issue here (that I think Marsha is trying to get across) is
>>> that people are using names without knowing facts. They think they
>>> know, but rumors spread and falsehoods abound and soon what is being
>>> said (though well meaning) is a bunch of lies that could be considered
>>> bashing. People should not be learning from people on this list which
>>> schools are great and which are not, because it is opinions and hear
>>> say. People should be able to learn from the source they wish to
>>> investigate. What we should be learning here is our own experiences of
>>> occurances, how-to's, and what works for us. We can only honestly
>>> report about ourselves. I am not saying anyone here would
>>> intentionally lie, but people make mistakes or are just plain wrong.
>>> When the names are thrown out with false formation or the bashing
>>> comments, it does cause blood pressures to rise. As for me, I am
>>> getting sick of this entire thread. The rules are laid out. Accept
>>> them. If people want to quit the list because they cannot handle the
>>> rules then good riddance. Can we get back to talking about our dogs
>>> now? Eve
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well said, there is a big difference between honest discussion between 
>>>> handlers and putting others down for the choices that they need to 
>>>> make.
>>>>
>>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>>
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