[nagdu] no follow up

Fri Apr 19 15:57:59 UTC 2013

Oh, I didn't realize that off leash play was considered bad by some.
What I question is her leaving her dog in the yard like a pet while
she is inside doing whatever. I think (and may be wrong) that the dog
spends a lot of time on her own out there. I like the ideas of
instigating more obedience and maybe changing it up a little. I think
that she only gives verbal praise and maybe she needs a different
method with this particular dog. She is a lab, which means she likes
food, so maybe the treat reward would be more effective. Oh gosh, you
are not saying that I should call the school are you? I know it is
horrible for a good dog to be waisted, but ...  I also do not want to
say that she is doing things all wrong, but... I love all you
suggestions and do not know if I could get her to follow through with
any of them, but at least, maybe, our conversation will help others
learn. Thanks guys, Eve

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> I see the issue as the lady doesn't want any help.  There's lots that she
> could do, fix the yard so the dog can't get out, use a long leash, train a
> new recall from scratch and probably some others.  the thing is though that
> she doesn't want to change what she's doing.  I'm not sure why that is, but
> if you could figure that part out I think things would come together for
> her.
>
> In regard to your second question about off leash play, yes I do allow this.
> I'm in the minority though.  I have a fenced back yard where both of my dogs
> can run around and do whatever they like.  I also allow Monty to run off
> leash in unfenced areas.  He has the best off leash manners and recall of
> any dog I've ever had.  In the yard at home we play Frisbee not quite daily,
> but whenever the weather is halfway decent.  In the summer I take him out to
> our farm pond where he can really get in a good run.  I finally got a
> whistle and trained him to come to the whistle, which helps a lot over
> distances or background noise.
>
> I know off leash play is frowned upon by most of the programs in the U.S.
> It's interesting to me that in Europe they are encouraged to let their dogs
> off leash to run.  I see how much of a difference it makes for Monty's
> mental health.  I feel like for him there is much more benefit than risk.
>
> Now my other dog is an entirely different story.  She goes in the fenced
> backyard, but is absolutely not allowed anywhere without a stout leash and
> an adult on the other end.  Given half an opportunity she will run off.  For
> an old girl she can run pretty fast! I've had her for around 9 years now.  I
> have done obedience, on leash recall, used treats, made the recall into a
> game and every other manner of training I could think of.  She no longer
> tries to bolt out the front door every time someone comes or goes, but her
> recall is still really, really bad.  I honestly believe that in order to get
> a really awesome recall you have to teach it from very early puppyhood.  If
> they don't get it from the very beginning, it's going to be a steep uphill
> struggle.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>
> Subject: [nagdu] no follow up
>
> Hi all, My subject line probably does not make sense, but I thought it
> might catch attention of those on that thread as well as others. I
> think the follow up for someone who wishes it is  great and should be
> available. I have a friend though that needs some follow up and is
> refusing to get it. I am hoping that some of you might have some good
> suggestions for her. She has had her dog for 4 or 5 months now and
> says she is very happy with how she works, on harness and on leash,
> she is perfect. MY FRIEND IS HAVING AN ISSUE GETTING HER DOG TO COME
> TO HER AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY SHE WILL NOT CALL  HER SCHOOL>  She says
> that it the house she is fine, but she puts her in the back yard a lot
> (something i would not do and am curious as to whether others do).
> While in the yard, the dog finds her way and runs the street. She
> calls her and her dog refuses to come to her. I suggested as a first
> step to put back on the leash as if newly home. I figured this might
> help with the bonding that might be lacking. Short of her getting help
> from one of the school trainers, which is available to her, do you all
> have any suggestions for her? Thanks, Eve
>
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