[nagdu] no follow up

Fri Apr 19 23:28:08 UTC 2013

Yes, let me chime in as well.
I am on my second guide dog and he nor my first were ever left
outdoors unless someone was outside and the dog was tied up ( I don't
live in a place with a fence). So, the dog is given some freedom with
a long leash. I totally agree with you Julie P, these dogs are too
valuable in more ways than one to leave them unsupervised in a non
controled setting (no fence).
In regards to play, I have a dog park which is large enough and fenced
so my dog can get his  release of energy. If needed, I have a 25 ft
flexi leash for him as well.
Just my thoughts!

On 4/19/13, Margo and Arrow <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
> I feel concerned that someone would leave the guide dog chained up in the
> backyard.  My dogs belong in the house with me.  Occasional running about
> in
> a yard is okay but my dogs, including pets, have been house dogs.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no follow up
>
> Also, I feel that part of the continued bonding would be that the dog
> should
> be in the house with me. Of course I have always wanted my dogs in the
> house, even the pets. Some people have strong feelings regarding dogs being
> outdoor pets, particularly larger ones. I would feel the need to have my
> guide in the house with me though in particular. I guess if I am taking my
> dog other places with me and it will be indoors, then it should be living
> like that all of the time so it will indoor appropriate.
>
> Cindy Lou
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I just talked to someone the other day who had her dog killed while
> chained up in her back yard.  Someone gave her some food with something in
> it that killed her.  I would not leave my dog out side without being there
> too. There are too many crazy people out there and you just never know who
> is around.  These dogs are far to valuable to use in terms of emotional
> value as well as financial value to let something like that happen to them.
>>
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez"
>> <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no follow up
>>
>>
>>> Oh, I didn't realize that off leash play was considered bad by some.
>>> What I question is her leaving her dog in the yard like a pet while
>>> she is inside doing whatever. I think (and may be wrong) that the dog
>>> spends a lot of time on her own out there. I like the ideas of
>>> instigating more obedience and maybe changing it up a little. I think
>>> that she only gives verbal praise and maybe she needs a different
>>> method with this particular dog. She is a lab, which means she likes
>>> food, so maybe the treat reward would be more effective. Oh gosh, you
>>> are not saying that I should call the school are you? I know it is
>>> horrible for a good dog to be waisted, but ...  I also do not want to
>>> say that she is doing things all wrong, but... I love all you
>>> suggestions and do not know if I could get her to follow through with
>>> any of them, but at least, maybe, our conversation will help others
>>> learn. Thanks guys, Eve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> I see the issue as the lady doesn't want any help.  There's lots
>>>> that she could do, fix the yard so the dog can't get out, use a long
>>>> leash, train a new recall from scratch and probably some others.
>>>> the thing is though that she doesn't want to change what she's
>>>> doing.  I'm not sure why that is, but if you could figure that part
>>>> out I think things would come together for her.
>>>>
>>>> In regard to your second question about off leash play, yes I do allow
> this.
>>>> I'm in the minority though.  I have a fenced back yard where both of
>>>> my dogs can run around and do whatever they like.  I also allow
>>>> Monty to run off leash in unfenced areas.  He has the best off leash
>>>> manners and recall of any dog I've ever had.  In the yard at home we
>>>> play Frisbee not quite daily, but whenever the weather is halfway
>>>> decent.  In the summer I take him out to our farm pond where he can
>>>> really get in a good run.  I finally got a whistle and trained him
>>>> to come to the whistle, which helps a lot over distances or background
> noise.
>>>>
>>>> I know off leash play is frowned upon by most of the programs in the
> U.S.
>>>> It's interesting to me that in Europe they are encouraged to let
>>>> their dogs off leash to run.  I see how much of a difference it
>>>> makes for Monty's mental health.  I feel like for him there is much
>>>> more
> benefit than risk.
>>>>
>>>> Now my other dog is an entirely different story.  She goes in the
>>>> fenced backyard, but is absolutely not allowed anywhere without a
>>>> stout leash and an adult on the other end.  Given half an
>>>> opportunity she will run off. For an old girl she can run pretty
>>>> fast! I've had her for around 9 years now. I have done obedience, on
>>>> leash recall, used treats, made the recall into a game and every
>>>> other manner of training I could think of.  She no longer tries to
>>>> bolt out the front door every time someone comes or goes, but her
>>>> recall is still really, really bad.  I honestly believe that in
>>>> order to get a really awesome recall you have to teach it from very
>>>> early puppyhood. If they don't get it from the very beginning, it's
> going to be a steep uphill struggle.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:10 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] no follow up
>>>>
>>>> Hi all, My subject line probably does not make sense, but I thought
>>>> it might catch attention of those on that thread as well as others.
>>>> I think the follow up for someone who wishes it is  great and should
>>>> be available. I have a friend though that needs some follow up and
>>>> is refusing to get it. I am hoping that some of you might have some
>>>> good suggestions for her. She has had her dog for 4 or 5 months now
>>>> and says she is very happy with how she works, on harness and on
>>>> leash, she is perfect. MY FRIEND IS HAVING AN ISSUE GETTING HER DOG
>>>> TO COME TO HER AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY SHE WILL NOT CALL  HER SCHOOL>
>>>> She says that it the house she is fine, but she puts her in the back
>>>> yard a lot (something i would not do and am curious as to whether
>>>> others
> do).
>>>> While in the yard, the dog finds her way and runs the street. She
>>>> calls her and her dog refuses to come to her. I suggested as a first
>>>> step to put back on the leash as if newly home. I figured this might
>>>> help with the bonding that might be lacking. Short of her getting
>>>> help from one of the school trainers, which is available to her, do
>>>> you all have any suggestions for her? Thanks, Eve
>>>>
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