[nagdu] Fake service dogs
Ken Ace
ken at acenovels.com
Sun Apr 21 23:49:47 UTC 2013
Buddy,
Ditto, I couldn't agree more. By the way I was born and raised in
southwestern PA. Not that it has anything to do with anything except people
from that area seem to view things a little differently.
Ken & Ace
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:48 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs
Ken,
On this we agree completely. I personally think that, in general, and
assuming blindness is your only disability, blind people don't have any
business getting, nor need for, handicapped parking placards. If your
sighted driver wants the closer parking spot, have them get their own
@#$%^&@@@!!!ing placard. No problem walking, and as far as I know, there's
no connection between your eyeballs and optic nerves and your legs.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> HI All.
> I had no idea I was soooo far out of touch with so many of you. First
> I refuse to get a handicap parking pass for our car because I don't
> consider myself handicapped. I obviously have been a little naive when
> it comes to buying harnesses and canes but, excuse me, that seems to
> be the least of our problems however I thank you all for enlightening
> me. :) Ken & Ace
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Margo and
> Arrow
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:11 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs
>
> Ken, I might suggest that you go for advocacy training and ADA
> training, etc. Think in some ways some folks in agencies and
> businesses are selling you a bill of goods.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:25 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Yep, this is a real problem. However, bear in mind, too, that the ADA
> doesn't lay out any requirements for working gear. So, someone could
> just have their dog on a leash and say it's a service dog. This of
> course doesn't mean they're not wrong, or they're not breaking the law
> (because they are), but it does make distinguishing real service dogs
> from fake ones a little more difficult. The distinguishing feature
> here is the training: a service dog must be individually task trained,
> and the owner can be asked A) if this is a service dog, B) what
> service has the dog been trained to provide. While we need to
> understand that our rights as service dog users are not absolute,
> business proprietors need to also understand their rights, as well as
> their responsibilities in this regard. I think we've done a good job,
> or anyway, a pretty good job, of educating as to our access rights,
> but we've done a less good job educating on 1) the boundaries of such
> rights, and worse, 2) the
> *business's* rights as regards our access and its boundaries. In
> other words, I think some business owners and managers really *do*
> believe they have no recourse for an uncontrolled, aggressive, or
> otherwise poorly maintained service dog that is disrupting the usual
> course of their business. This likely adds to the problem; I believe
> that if businesses understood *their* rights in these situations, i.e.
> they are able to have someone's dog removed from the premises if that
> dog is not under control, is disruptive, or is otherwise substantially
> altering the nature of the service provided, we would very likely have
> a lot less of a problem with fake service dogs.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:58 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> Buddy, thanks I guess I have been in the bubble of the newly blind. I
>> appreciate your candid input however I guess I was hoping it were
>> true as I have seen several people try to pawn their pet off as being
>> a guide dog just to gain access to pet restricted areas.
>> Ken & Ace
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>> Brannan
>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:41 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> This is absolutely, completely, unequivocally incorrect.
>>
>> For one thing, of course anyone can buy a white cane. I've never,
>> ever been asked for proof of blindness to buy a white cane, and there
>> are several places you can get one.
>>
>> As for guide dog harnesses, I've said this a hundred times over the
>> years, at least. There's nothing magic about guide dog working gear,
>> or, for that matter, any dog working gear, and i believe the schools
>> do us all a disservice in their promulgating of the guide dog
>> mystique in
> this regard.
>> While it's true that the harnesses we get from the school are
>> generally property of the school, there's nothing stopping you from
>> getting one from somewhere else They're really not terribly
>> complicated; I expect any decent maker of horse gear, for instance,
>> could make you one. But there are one or two places that will sell
>> you a
> guide dog harness; Bridgeport is one such.
>> LDS used to be another, and I'm nearly certain there are others besides.
>> There's of course Paw Power Creations, whose status seems to be a bit
>> unknown at the moment. Point is, guide dog working gear isn't
>> particularly special if you know where to look.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2013, at 10:04 AM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am obviously misinformed because I am sure we were told by my
>>> school that "Harnesses are always the property of the school and
>>> where you get replacements". They likened it to white canes, you
>>> just can't go out and buy a white cane if you haven't gone through
>>> the
> training.
>>> Does anyone have any input?
>>> Ken & Ace
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christel
>>> Sogenbits
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:55 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> It is very interesting question for me allso beacuse we have only
>>> one kind of harnesses here. Allso I would be really happy and
>>> thankful if somebody wants to write me offlist and describe their
>>> harnesses or send
>> pictures.
>>> I can do picture of my guides harnesses and write there what part
>>> of it is made of metal and what part is made from leather if
>>> somebody is
>> interested.
>>> Allso I can send you pictures do show how they are on my dog.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tervitades / With greetings
>>> Christel Sogenbits
>>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon L.
>>> Dillon
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:21 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>>
>>> Hi, does anyone know where to get guide dog harnesses (other than
>>> the ones we can get from our schools)? I got my previous harness
>>> from Paw Power Creations but their web site doesn't seem to be
>>> functioning anymore. I'm looking for another lightweight, flexible,
>>> nonleather harness to use on the beach this summer, and I would
>>> have gotten it from Paw Power Creations if they were up and running.
>>> I love my old one but I had it made without stabilizer loops and I
>>> wanted to have one
>> made with the stabilizer loops.
>>> Does anyone know of alternatives?
>>> Thanks.
>>> -Shannon and Yalie
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: graduate56 at juno.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:57:23 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>>
>>>> thats a really good description of the exhibit hall.
>>>> I remember when I took my girl to convention for the first time. We
>>>> got through the crowd in the exhibit hall and to tables. She found
>>>> the Gdf table right away. she was so happy with herself for it. She
>>>> knows her school.
>>>> Lol!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Melissa and Pj
>>>> Find me on:
>>>> Twitter melissa5674
>>>> facebook Melissa R Green
>>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>
>>>> So glad the surgery went well. Please give us a call at GDF and
>>>> Barb can talk to you about recovery and getting back to work with
Felix.
>>>>
>>>> As for the national convention, what's really nice about the
>>>> exhibit hall is that there is a great description printed ahead of
>>>> time and possibly even a tactile map you can look at prior to going
>>>> in so you know where you are going.
>>>>
>>>> I use the "Find the counter" command a lot to have Swap take me to
>>>> the edges of tables when he can. Sometimes, and not to be crude
>>>> here, you just encounter a wall of butts. That's why when reaching
>>>> out to see what's in front of me, I use the back of my hand
>>>> initially to see how close we are to people. <grin>
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>> Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:18 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to share about my recent surgery and how it went fore
>>>> Felix and
>>> me.
>>>> First, for some reason, the hospital said I could bring my dog but
>>>> had to find my own way to take him out. I didn't have family who
>>>> could be there whenever Felix needed to go out. I decided to board
>>>> him at the vet for the three days I was in the hospital. That went
fine.
>>>> The rehabilitation facility allowed me to bring my dog. They were
>>>> willing to have staff to take him out. I could not walk for two
>>>> weeks after surgery.
>>>> I am very grateful to all of the nursing care aids who took Felix
>>>> out for me.
>>>> Felix was on a tie-down on one side of my bed. I was fortunate to
>>>> have a private room.
>>>> Friends of mine who also have guide dogs came and groomed and
>>>> exercised Felix for me.
>>>> I took him on leash with me to the dining room in a wheelchair.
>>>> Because I did not use the harness, I let people pet him. The other
>>>> clients and the staff really enjoyed having a dog to pet. Some of
>>>> the people were seniors who had ffallen or had replacement type
> surgeries.
>>>> They love to remember dogs that they had during their lives.
>>>> It was kind of neat because Felix seemed to know I was in pain. He
>>>> would come right up to the side of the bed and stand close so I
>>>> could pet
>>> him.
>>>> After two and a half weeks I could come home. I have a boot on my
>>>> foot and still cannot work Felix. I worry about this. I now have
>>>> about a week and a half before I can walk again.
>>>> I have let Felix out in the fenced in yard to play with our pet dog.
>>>> My husband took Felix for a walk, but he dragged back and wouldn't go.
>>>> All I can think is that maybe he didn't want to leave me.
>>>> This surgery is hopefully going to make it possible for me to have
>>>> better balance when I walk. I am excited to see how successful it
>>>> will be. I am just praying that my pup will still remember how to
>>>> be a guide
>>> dog.
>>>> I am so blessed to have such wonderful friends and a great family.
>>>> This will be my first national convention to have a guide dog. I
>>>> think the thing I dread the most is going to the exhibit hall with
>>>> a dog
>> guide.
>>>> I AM SO ENJOYING THIS LIST AND HOPE TO MEET SOME OF OUR FOLKS IN
> Orlando.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>> Carcione
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:29 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] coming on command - was no follow up
>>>>
>>>> My first dog Glade thought running away and not coming were a great
>>>> game. A
>>>>
>>>> couple times, she accidently got loose, and I had a heck of a time
>>>> catching her again. She would always come when she saw her harness,
>>>> though, so I'd try to get close enough to her to show it to her,
>>>> and the game would be over.
>>>>
>>>> I quote the Irish Rovers, sort of:
>>>> Those labradors were hiding, playing silly games.
>>>>
>>>> From the Unicorn song, explaining why there aren't any more around.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Daniel" <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:07 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] coming on command - was no follow up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Eve and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was having the same problems with having Cass coming to me when
>>>>> I called, and to some extent still do. Although I never allow her
>>>>> to be off leash in the common area behind my townhome, I will go
>>>>> out on a 25 foot leash and practice recall with food treats. This
>>>>> is what my field rep advised me when she visited me on my second
>>>>> month home after complaining about this problem.
>>>>> I explained to her that I was having problems with recall both in
>>>>> and out of the house. After returning home and keeping Cass on
>>>>> leash for about 5 weeks, I let her off and when I called her she
>>>>> would not come to me. We would do obedience training, sit, down,
>>>>> stay, and come at short distances and she would do just fine, but
>>>>> when we were at ease she would not come to me when
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> called. Talk about frustrating - to be upstairs and call and have
>>>>> no dog come, or to be ten feet away and call her to come to me and
>>>>> she would just ignore me. Things really came to a head when I went
>>>>> to a friend's house and she was playing in the yard with his dogs.
>>>>> He called his dogs to come in and Cass refused to come inside. He
>>>>> went to the back door and she would run from my friend. I went to
>>>>> the door and she would ignore my command to come inside. I finally
>>>>> was able to get her to come inside by filling her food bowl, and
>>>>> then snagging her with the leash. That was the last time she was
>>>>> off leash until the field rep came. We started working with high
>>>>> value food rewards. This has seemed to work for the most part, but
>>>>> there are still some occasional instances where she will stay just
>>>>> out of my reach when I call her, and not come to me as if I am
>>>>> playing a game. Needless to say this really ticks me off since I
>>>>> have never had a dog that has done this. I have had quite a few
>>>>> dogs. She has a HUGE stubborn streak. I would never let her be off
>>>>> leash outside unless the area was securely enclosed, and then only
>>>>> with hesitation. I am just glad she is food motivated. The fact
>>>>> that we have only been together for a bit over 4 months lets me
>>>>> think that in time she will become a little more attached and this
>>>>> problem will solve itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for the long winded emails, but when I get going, I
>>>>> really get going.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel and Cass
>>>>>
>>>>>
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