[nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play

Sun Aug 4 05:30:11 UTC 2013

I see Niccole's point, and I want to take it a bit further.

Let's think about one of the questions that they can ask us when we're
out with our dogs.  "What service is the dog performing?"

If you are waiting to sled down a hil, and your dog is at the bottom
with a friend, then what service is the dog performing?  Is it enough
to say that the dog came with you to hehlp guide you to the area?  I
would think so, but I could see an argument coming.

It's like those people who think our dogs can be bothered because we
are sitting quietly waiting for an appointment or meeting to begin,
and the dog is taking a nap--that mentality that if the dog doesn't
look like it's working, it must not be.  Of course, I think there is a
fine line between the dog waiting with you at an appointment and
playing in a pool or in the snow.  I don't know what it means legally
though.

My dog hates water, so I don't have to worry about it, but I still
wouldn't allow her to play in a pool.  Dogs' skin can dry out a lot
more quickly than humans.  Then there is the risk of the dog
swallowing water, which I have seen first hand is not pretty.  They
can get very sick.  And then you think about the other people that
might be in the condo pool.  I don't know if it's such a good idea.

The snow thing seems a bit more harmless.  I see Larry's point though.
 I don't think I would risk it, especially if there are lots of sleds
going by and other dogs aren't aloud.  I would imagine that if the
managers of the hills can show that the dog is causing a disturbance,
they can ask you to remove the dog.

Just my thoughts.

On 8/3/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> I would Nicole that the question would be more like, does the fun place want
>
> to be liable for any injury caused to your dog whil participating in that
> activity? In your example, if you went sledding and your dog panicked and
> jumped out of the sled and hert itself or caused an accident with another
> sled who would be responsible? If the dog jumped off your sled and got hit
> by the one behind you for instance, are you responsible for not being able
> to control the dog, is the sledder behind you responsible because they hit
> the dog or is the place where you are sledding responsible for renting you
> and letting you and the dog goof around there? Interesting though! Also,
> some of the things we consider fun, the dogs might not like! Imagine a dog
> going to Cedar Point and riding the coasters! Especially those that go
> upside down! Not good!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play
>
>
>> Dear Nicole,
>>
>> I wouldn't do it because of the inherent danger, but you are asking
>> a legal question here, and I know Marion will have--or can get--the
>> answer
>> for us.
>> Darla & hardworking Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:21 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play
>>
>>    Some of the recent messages have made an interesting question come
>> into
>> my mind. There are places that we as humans go to have where dogs
>> sometimes
>> are not allowed. These places also can potentially be a play opportunity
>> for
>> dogs; however, dogs are often not allowed. So, my question is, if service
>> dogs are allowed to accompany their handlers for assisting them, are the
>> dogs also allowed to do the fun things that pet dogs are not allowed to
>> do?
>> I know that this is a slightly confusing question, so here is an example.
>>
>>    There are sledding areas on mountains that you can go to to sled. Some
>> of them do not allow dogs--I know from experience. Lets say that there is
>>
>> a
>> person who has a guide dog who lives with his/her family. The family is
>> taking a day trip to one of these sledding areas, and, as expected, the
>> guide dog comes along too. Once at the sledding area, the person, for
>> whatever reason, chooses to have a sighted family member help him/her get
>>
>> to
>> the top of the sledding area. Should the guide dog be allowed to play in
>> the
>> snow at the sledding area if the dog is not doing it as a way of helping
>> his/her handler?
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia
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Julie McG
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Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
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