[nagdu] how much is too much?

[National Association of Guide Dog Users]

Julie,
	I am of the opinion that three times is too many. If the dog growls or barks once, the handler has the responsibility to correct the behavior. If it does it twice, the first correction didn't work and the handler should attempt to correct the behavior again. If it does it a third time, it is definitely not under control and the handler should remove the dog. If the handler does not do it voluntarily, I believe it is up to the entity to ask the handler to leave; it should not be our place. 

	I would also say that trainers of service animals have lesser rights than those of us who are disabled accompanied by a service dog. In fact, under federal law, trainers have no rights at all. Those rights granted to trainers are granted by the states and, in most states, those trainers are required to present documentation from the training program for which they are training.  Furthermore, classifying the dog as a "therapy dog" leads me to believe it was not even a service dog in training. classifying a dog as a "therapy dog" does not grant the right to access even in those states that allow trainers of service animals. If I encountered such a circumstance, I might offer a bit of education to the entity about the differences between a service dog and a therapy dog .

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:04 PM
To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
Subject: [nagdu] how much is too much?

I had an interesting thing happen when eating in a restaurant Friday night.

The place was busy so we had to wait a bit for our table.  When a table came available, the hostess came over and let us know that our table was ready, but that there was a therapy dog in training at the next table.  She wanted it to be very clear that the dog was in training.  She asked if that would be a problem for our dogs.  I was in a small group that included another guide dog user.  We both said that our dogs would be fine with another dog at the next table.  They wouldn’t react or be upset or cause a disturbance of any variety.   We let her know that it wasn’t a problem as long as the lady with the dog in training was willing and able to manage her dog appropriately.

We get to the table and get seated.  the lady with the dog in training said hello and made some other polite conversation.  Then her dog started in barking, growling and shuffling around under her table.  At first she talked to the dog, later she did correct.  She did apologize, saying that he’s only 12 months old and you can’t start training until then, so the dog is new to all of this.  She also said that normally he is very good around other dogs.  The barking and growling went on for probably half an hour, until she finished her dinner and left.  It wasn’t continuous all that time, but was consistently occurring every few minutes.  

Neither of  our two guides did anything inappropriate.  They were both lying under the table quietly minding their own business.  

So what would you have done?
Should we have asked for a different table? we would have had to wait longer should we have asked her to take the dog out?
should we have asked the restaurant staff to speak to her or ask her to take the dog out?
Was she taking care of the situation appropriately?
Should she have left earlier?
How much is too much?

Very curiously,
Julie
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