[nagdu] how much is too much?

[L Gwizdak]

Yeah Marion,
You're right about therapy dogs not having the same access rights as a 
service dog for the disabled.  Legally, therapy dogs are only allowed into 
facilities where they are invited to be in.

The people in our pet-assisted therapy program can only bring their dogs 
into the places that have requested our visits with the animals.  The dogs 
that are owned by the people in the program are the people's own pets.  The 
dogs have no more "rights" than the rabbits, guinea pigs, and rats we bring 
on the visits.

Landon's "rights" are more because of MY right to bring my guide dog.  If I 
were to bring Landon into a place to visit a friend on my own, I have the 
right to be accompanied by Landon because he is my trrained guide dog.

Lyn and Landon
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> Julie,
> I am of the opinion that three times is too many. If the dog growls or 
> barks once, the handler has the responsibility to correct the behavior. If 
> it does it twice, the first correction didn't work and the handler should 
> attempt to correct the behavior again. If it does it a third time, it is 
> definitely not under control and the handler should remove the dog. If the 
> handler does not do it voluntarily, I believe it is up to the entity to 
> ask the handler to leave; it should not be our place.
>
> I would also say that trainers of service animals have lesser rights than 
> those of us who are disabled accompanied by a service dog. In fact, under 
> federal law, trainers have no rights at all. Those rights granted to 
> trainers are granted by the states and, in most states, those trainers are 
> required to present documentation from the training program for which they 
> are training.  Furthermore, classifying the dog as a "therapy dog" leads 
> me to believe it was not even a service dog in training. classifying a dog 
> as a "therapy dog" does not grant the right to access even in those states 
> that allow trainers of service animals. If I encountered such a 
> circumstance, I might offer a bit of education to the entity about the 
> differences between a service dog and a therapy dog .
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] how much is too much?
>
> I had an interesting thing happen when eating in a restaurant Friday 
> night.
>
> The place was busy so we had to wait a bit for our table.  When a table 
> came available, the hostess came over and let us know that our table was 
> ready, but that there was a therapy dog in training at the next table. 
> She wanted it to be very clear that the dog was in training.  She asked if 
> that would be a problem for our dogs.  I was in a small group that 
> included another guide dog user.  We both said that our dogs would be fine 
> with another dog at the next table.  They wouldn’t react or be upset or 
> cause a disturbance of any variety.   We let her know that it wasn’t a 
> problem as long as the lady with the dog in training was willing and able 
> to manage her dog appropriately.
>
> We get to the table and get seated.  the lady with the dog in training 
> said hello and made some other polite conversation.  Then her dog started 
> in barking, growling and shuffling around under her table.  At first she 
> talked to the dog, later she did correct.  She did apologize, saying that 
> he’s only 12 months old and you can’t start training until then, so the 
> dog is new to all of this.  She also said that normally he is very good 
> around other dogs.  The barking and growling went on for probably half an 
> hour, until she finished her dinner and left.  It wasn’t continuous all 
> that time, but was consistently occurring every few minutes.
>
> Neither of  our two guides did anything inappropriate.  They were both 
> lying under the table quietly minding their own business.
>
> So what would you have done?
> Should we have asked for a different table? we would have had to wait 
> longer should we have asked her to take the dog out?
> should we have asked the restaurant staff to speak to her or ask her to 
> take the dog out?
> Was she taking care of the situation appropriately?
> Should she have left earlier?
> How much is too much?
>
> Very curiously,
> Julie
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