[nagdu] Petition to ask the US Department of Justice to take action to stop fraudulent use of service dog ID or gear.

Fri Aug 16 21:03:52 UTC 2013

thank you Tami and Marian, can you tell me what cci stands for? best regards Hal 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Petition to ask the US Department of Justice to take action to stop fraudulent use of service dog ID or gear.

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> Marion,
> 
> Yes, dealing meaningfully with the people fraudulently passing off their 
> pets as service dogs would go much further, I think, to stem the problem.
> 
> So would education of businesses about their right to remove a dog that 
> is misbehaving. Any dog, doesn't matter if it is a service dog. If even 
> our dogs are out of line and we can't deal with it, then out they go! If 
> the dog causes damage, then we pay for it! I use my own dog to get the 
> point across when I am educating, since it does seem to cause lightbulbs 
> to flicker fitfully. Businesses do not have to be afraid of service dogs 
> or that the dog eating food off the fine white linen is a service dog or 
> anything like that. I would recommend they get video of the misbehavior, 
> then have the dog removed.
> 
> I am going to have to start pointing out that the phrase "fake service 
> dog gear" is absolutely meaningless. It's just stuff. It has nothing to 
> do with public access and never has. So there is no such thing as "real 
> service dog gear." Ignore it. If a dog is wearing a patch, then there is 
> a dog with a patch. Has nothing to do with whether the person may bring 
> the dog into your business and does not give the person a legal pass and 
> does not make it legal for the person to let the dog tear things up.
> 
> I think all this hoopla over the gear really just increases the confusion.
> 
> I also find it pretty rich that programs like CCI are driving that 
> bandwagon. Who has been passing out nifty ID cards and telling their 
> grads to show them to people as proof of their right to bring their 
> service dogs in? Who puts all those little patches and capes on the dogs 
> so that people will know they are service dogs and can come into places 
> of public access? Who has really caused the problem by misinforming 
> business and the general public all these years? So those of us who know 
> our legal rights and will not use ID or accept being asked for it have 
> two problems. We have to keep educating around the misinformation while 
> some fool with a service dog patch on his pet just waltzes right in.
> 
> It gets old.
> 
> It also gets old, I will add, hearing all about how it's the fakes and 
> frauds that behave badly and cause problems for real service dog users. 
> Well, also, it's owner-trainers who are just plain irresponsible and 
> don't know what they are doing, of course not.
> 
> Meanwhile, a lot of us have had to deal with program dogs. I'm not the 
> only one who is not worried about Fluffy because Fluffy has never done a 
> dang thing to me. It's the dog from whatever the bleep training program 
> that is in my experience likely to be a problem for me and my dog. It's 
> dogs from training programs that have nearly cost me my guide and her 
> training more than once. And resulted in my having to do *a lot* of 
> retraining to use my guide in places of public accommodation. I'm not 
> the only service dog user out there who is really tired of putting up 
> with that.
> 
> If folks know and will apply the law to deal with problem dogs -- 
> regardless of service dog status -- then we can possibly hope for fewer 
> problem dogs when we go into places of public accommodation.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 08/16/2013 06:49 AM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
> > William,
> > 	I think it would serve us better if each state would enact penalties
> > criminalizing the deceptive assertion that an animal is a service animal.
> > Most states have similar statutes that read something like, "It is unlawful
> > for anyone not legally blind to carry in a raised or extended position a
> > cane that is white or white tipped in red." Perhaps the clause could read,
> > "It is unlawful for any person to fraudulently assert that an animal is a
> > service animal under federal law." I fear that the prohibition of selling
> > service animal gear may limit the availability of such gear to those of us
> > wishing alternatives to that gear issued by the training program. One of the
> > provisions training programs hold over the heads of their consumers is the
> > retention of ownership of the guide dog gear and the right to repossess that
> > gear. At the same time, I would agree that there could be a crack-down on
> > the sale of service animal identification cards and other such
> > documentation, similar to those prohibiting counterfeit state and federal
> > identification. Just my opinion!
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William
> > Vandervest
> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:20 PM
> > To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: [nagdu] {Disarmed} Fw: [leader-dogs-l] Petition to ask the US
> > Department of Justice to take action to stop fraudulent use of service dog
> > ID or gear.
> >
> >
> > There are none so blind as those who will not see
> >
> > William and LD Lynard
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sarah Calhoun
> > To: List Leader
> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:26 PM
> > Subject: [leader-dogs-l] Petition to ask the US Department of Justice to
> > take action to stop fraudulent use of service dog ID or gear.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > There is a petition to ask the US Department of Justice to take action to
> > stop fraudulent use of service dog ID or gear. You can find the petition
> > at: www.cci.org/stopfraud
> >
> > Signers of the petition receive a letter like the one below:
> >
> > Thank you for asking the Department of Justice to investigate and stop the
> > online sale of fraudulent service dog products.
> >
> > Please forward this message and urge your friends to add their names at
> > www.cci.org/stopfraud
> >
> > With your help, we can raise awareness about this important issue and demand
> > an end to the sale of fake service dog products.
> >
> > Thank you for all that you do.
> >
> > Canine Companions for Independence
> >
> > Thank you for considering in signing this worthwhile petition.
> >
> > Sarah Calhoun
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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