[nagdu] I'm back

Wed Aug 21 17:41:03 UTC 2013

Hi Chantel,
I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL!  I've seen 
my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all schools.  Part of 
what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide that the school is full 
of crap when the school asks you to do things in a certain way when you get 
home with a new dog.  the grad blows off the school and does things as they 
please - not realizing that the school tells you things because they do 
really know better what has worked and not worked for grads when they get 
home.

At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like going to 
the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the employees and guests have 
lunch with us during the week.  For us students, they have us come in after 
the staff and guests are already eating and they are seated near the door in 
the first section of the dining room.  We are required to work our dogs past 
these tables with people eating at them.  This arrangement sets up a 
situation that we will find when we go to restaurants.  Every day, we are 
practicing how to work the dogs in a restaurant type setting.  In lecture, 
our dogs are in harness and lying quietly at our feet.  This is like if wwe 
were at a meeting we would go to when we get home.

I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other 
schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on getting 
dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where we sit at tables. 
Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on the floor in the way where 
they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is a real stickler on this issue of 
making sure our dogs are out of the way - under chairs or the table where 
they will not be tripped over.

But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time handlers 
because they don't think about what they are doing.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back

> Jenny,
>
> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice, and I 
> had
> to stay for extra training.
>
> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is 
> engraved
> on Motley's harness.
>
> Chantel and Motley.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow White Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>
> Hi all,
>
> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>
> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their students.
>
> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>
> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their dogs
> because they didn't have to go through the full achievement walk to
> determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>
> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that the
> reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go home with 
> dogs
> they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>
> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me off 
> list
> so as to not clutter the list.
>
> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered a less
> than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen because they're
> obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name is on that harness.
>
> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs well and
> just blend in.
>
> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel offended 
> by
> anything I might have said.
>
> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know that
> apologize.
>
> Jenny
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Jenny,
>> congratulations!
>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't remember
> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship together.
>>
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it.  I know
> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>
>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>
>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I wasn't
> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could handle 
> him
> at all.
>>>
>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the walls all
> on his own steam.
>>>
>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19 months 
>>> old,
> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and everything was
> fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash which he chewed in 
> half
> in a perfectly streight line in two seconds flat.
>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a new
> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the phone.  He
> was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a couple of weeks to
> get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll be 
>>> that
> lucky.
>>>
>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything wooden
> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash
> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>
>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before I 
>>> wrote
> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and send it
> again.
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>> Jenny
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