[nagdu] I'm back

Sheila Leigland sleigland at bresnan.net
Wed Aug 21 19:11:41 UTC 2013 

hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do 
everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that some 
things work better for some dogs than others but the principles are 
still the same.
On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
> Hi Chantel,
> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've 
> seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all 
> schools.  Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide 
> that the school is full of crap when the school asks you to do things 
> in a certain way when you get home with a new dog.  the grad blows off 
> the school and does things as they please - not realizing that the 
> school tells you things because they do really know better what has 
> worked and not worked for grads when they get home.
>
> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like 
> going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the employees 
> and guests have lunch with us during the week.  For us students, they 
> have us come in after the staff and guests are already eating and they 
> are seated near the door in the first section of the dining room.  We 
> are required to work our dogs past these tables with people eating at 
> them.  This arrangement sets up a situation that we will find when we 
> go to restaurants.  Every day, we are practicing how to work the dogs 
> in a restaurant type setting.  In lecture, our dogs are in harness and 
> lying quietly at our feet.  This is like if wwe were at a meeting we 
> would go to when we get home.
>
> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other 
> schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on 
> getting dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where we 
> sit at tables. Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on the 
> floor in the way where they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is a 
> real stickler on this issue of making sure our dogs are out of the way 
> - under chairs or the table where they will not be tripped over.
>
> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time 
> handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi" 
> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>
>
>> Jenny,
>>
>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice, and 
>> I had
>> to stay for extra training.
>>
>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is 
>> engraved
>> on Motley's harness.
>>
>> Chantel and Motley.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow White 
>> Dove
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>
>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their 
>> students.
>>
>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>>
>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their dogs
>> because they didn't have to go through the full achievement walk to
>> determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>
>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that the
>> reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go home 
>> with dogs
>> they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>
>> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me 
>> off list
>> so as to not clutter the list.
>>
>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered a 
>> less
>> than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen because they're
>> obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name is on that harness.
>>
>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs 
>> well and
>> just blend in.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel 
>> offended by
>> anything I might have said.
>>
>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know that
>> apologize.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jenny,
>>> congratulations!
>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't remember
>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship 
>>> together.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it.  I know
>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>>
>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>
>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I wasn't
>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could 
>> handle him
>> at all.
>>>>
>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the walls 
>>>> all
>> on his own steam.
>>>>
>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19 
>>>> months old,
>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and everything 
>> was
>> fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash which he chewed 
>> in half
>> in a perfectly streight line in two seconds flat.
>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a new
>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the 
>> phone.  He
>> was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a couple of 
>> weeks to
>> get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll 
>>>> be that
>> lucky.
>>>>
>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything 
>>>> wooden
>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash
>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before I 
>>>> wrote
>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and send it
>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
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